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RE: New Taliban Rule in Afghanistan: No Burqa, No Healthcare for Afghan Women - Impress Polly - Nov 22 2025
(Nov 22 2025, 1:22 PM)Clover Polly, while I can understand your frustrations with WrongToy from the prior thread, this comment kind of infringes upon forum rule 6: no bullying, and also is the start of a potential thread derailment away from misogynstic Afghani govnerment policies towards an unproductive meta conversation about trashing other forum members. Her comment could just as easily have been ignored rather than highlighted and her character mocked. (I wanted to say her comment is additionally "not wrong," although then thinking about it further, if it was "not wrong," then surely there wouldn't have been such a dramatic drop in female admissions to urgent care following the misogynistic niquab rule..? So, to be honest, a source would be appreciated on her part, because I only vaguely remember what she is talking about in regards to it being "worse" before.)
Anyways, let's please focus the discussion on this thread back onto the news article/misogynistic practices at hand.
Yeah yeah I'll do better probably, sorry. I can pretend not to judge if I have to.
I can't even begin to relate to the mindset that hangs potentially life and death decisions on how a woman is dressed, and least of all when the purpose of that mandatory dress is to erase your entire sense of self and presence in the world.
RE: New Taliban Rule in Afghanistan: No Burqa, No Healthcare for Afghan Women - Wrongtoy - Nov 22 2025
Polly, it is not like I approve of wearing niquab. However, it doesn’t matter what I think. The factual matter is that women wearing this costume is the only way they will be allowed to function in public to the very limited extent they are allowed to,
RE: New Taliban Rule in Afghanistan: No Burqa, No Healthcare for Afghan Women - Impress Polly - Nov 22 2025
(Nov 22 2025, 10:51 PM)Wrongtoy Polly, it is not like I approve of wearing niquab. However, it doesn’t matter what I think. The factual matter is that women wearing this costume is the only way they will be allowed to function in public to the very limited extent they are allowed to,
I know I've been rude and aggressive. It just seems to me like you look for excuses to defend Islamic regimes specifically and in particular every time something about them comes up for discussion. And also when they're not up for discussion. It may surprise you to learn that I get where you're coming from better than you realize. I used to briefly belong to one of those Third Worldist Marxist groups (namely the Leading Light Communist Organization) and your style of propagandizing precisely for regimes like the Taliban, like the iranian Islamic republic, like Hamas, along with every other police state that ran afoul of American hegemony in some way for good measure is exactly what I was tasked with doing for them. (My dorky old blog they briefly endorsed actually still exists, though it hasn't been updated in over 14 years for obvious reasons. The defense of Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi was our principal cause during the six-month window of my membership.) We would denounce the local women's movements, democratic movements, anything of that nature to any extent they existed as traitors to the cause of world revolution and defeating American imperialism and accuse them of being paid agents of the CIA along with anyone who supported them. In reality it was closer to the opposite: LLCO leadership (it was a personality cult) had a way of making appearances on Russian state television broadcasts and I noticed a strong tendency in the leadership to minimize and avoid critiques of Russia or the old Soviet Union even when it made sense to do so within the framework of our political line. It was more like we were controlled by them. I recognize too much of that mindset in you to not be annoyed at the sight of it. Frankly, it felt incredibly degrading and disingenuous and that was the reason why I ditched them. While I never did exactly come to love my country, I'm not interested in this place turning out like that.
Sorry to derail, all. I'm figuring that maybe it's just best to get all this out there at this point.
RE: New Taliban Rule in Afghanistan: No Burqa, No Healthcare for Afghan Women - Wrongtoy - Nov 23 2025
My problem is that issues of women’s rights in the Islamic world have consistently been used to fight wars for the usual unrelated reasons. Nothing is accomplished by such wars but worse conditions for women. And such wars start with such rhetoric.
RE: New Taliban Rule in Afghanistan: No Burqa, No Healthcare for Afghan Women - Impress Polly - Nov 23 2025
(Yesterday, 9:16 AM)Wrongtoy My problem is that issues of women’s rights in the Islamic world have consistently been used to fight wars for the usual unrelated reasons. Nothing is accomplished by such wars but worse conditions for women. And such wars start with such rhetoric.
I wouldn't say that that's correct or even that like the current Taliban rule of Afghanistan is preferred by the local population to what was before it for that matter (and you can check the considerable amount of contemporaneous survey data on the subject out of Afghanistan to verify if you want; we left because we wanted to, not because they wanted us to). But if that's what you believe then why are you here on a feminist message board? Like why not from time to time post about a different subject rather than only ever the one you have anti-feminist feelings about?
RE: New Taliban Rule in Afghanistan: No Burqa, No Healthcare for Afghan Women - Wrongtoy - Nov 23 2025
Polly, consider the dilemma of MSF’s female doctors in Afghanistan. It takes a certain type of feminist to decide to put up with the talibans demands so said doctors can save women.
RE: New Taliban Rule in Afghanistan: No Burqa, No Healthcare for Afghan Women - Impress Polly - Nov 23 2025
(Yesterday, 9:50 AM)Wrongtoy Polly, consider the dilemma of MSF’s female doctors in Afghanistan. It takes a certain type of feminist to decide to put up with the talibans demands so said doctors can save women.
Alright, I'll get off your case. Sorry to be a piss-ass.
RE: New Taliban Rule in Afghanistan: No Burqa, No Healthcare for Afghan Women - Wrongtoy - Nov 23 2025
(Yesterday, 9:56 AM)Impress Polly(Yesterday, 9:50 AM)Wrongtoy Polly, consider the dilemma of MSF’s female doctors in Afghanistan. It takes a certain type of feminist to decide to put up with the talibans demands so said doctors can save women.
Alright, I'll get off your case. Sorry to be a piss-ass.
Please don’t apologize for your passion. It is fucking warranted. My sister volunteered with a medical relief org like msf in Africa. If subjected to this niquabi requirement, she just wouldn’t go there. More women would be saved where she went instead.