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My Generation Was Groomed - Impress Polly - Mar 26 2026 I recently read a powerful article by Constance Grady that was published in Vox and thought I'd share because it's worth really absorbing. It's about the time frame when I was a teenager and, frankly, it makes sense of...a LOT about the culture of the time. Shit that was going on behind the scenes that you didn't know back then. First let me introduce you to a character named Les Wexner. Quote:Les Wexner was the most influential mall tycoon of the late ’90s and early 2000s. As CEO of L Brands, Wexner oversaw The Limited and The Limited Too, Bath & Body Works, Express, and — most crucially for millennial teens — Victoria’s Secret and Abercrombie & Fitch. Wexner’s brands defined what it meant to be a cool young person in that era, and did it so successfully that Wexner became very, very rich on the backs of his devoted adolescent customer base. The defining aesthetic of a generation was the result of his vision. Now to avoid just copy/pasting everything from the article (I'm trying to confine myself to re-posting roughly half of it, but you really should read the whole thing), I'll just summarize the crux of what immediately follows this by saying that it turns out Wexner was Epstein's biggest financial client, like for decades, and that there are a lot of sex crimes people in his employ and orbit, including many high-ranking ones like the former CEO of Abercrombie & Fitch and the former chief marketing officer of L Brands, appear to have been involved in ranging from groping of Victoria's secret models to sex trafficking and prostitution, and that many of their victims were quite young. Much pedo type shit. Anyway, I wanna get to the conclusion because it is the point: Quote:Wexner’s persistent presence in the Epstein story is often overlooked, as he’s not a household name in the way that President Donald Trump, Bill Clinton, and Bill Gates are. Still, Wexner’s influence is undeniable because his companies were so central to the prevailing aesthetic and ethos of the 2000s. When I was a teenager in those years, every girl I knew got her first bra at Victoria’s Secret, and most of my classmates either wore or aspired to wear Abercrombie’s jokey graphic T-shirts. The companies that made up L Brands were as fundamental to the experience of being a millennial adolescent as speculating over the state of Britney Spears’s virginity was. (The bolding at the end is mine for emphasis.) ALL of this about the influence of these brands at that time is 100% true. I was there. Yes, this shit was inescapable. Frankly, I didn't connect the dots at the time. Like I didn't notice that all these companies were part of the same conglomerate, owned by the same guy, for example, let alone did I know who Jeffrey Epstein was or anything about what was going on behind the scenes. But now it all makes sense! Fucking disgusting, terrifying sense! One of my favorite quotes from Andrea Dworkin is this one: "Feminists are often asked whether pornography causes rape. The fact is that rape and prostitution caused and continue to cause pornography. Politically, culturally, socially, sexually, and economically, rape and prostitution generated pornography; and pornography depends for its continued existence on the rape and prostitution of women." I firmly believe that this principle applies to more than hardcore pornography. It seems that it applies to sexual objectification of all kinds, including the pervasive variety that defined the youth culture of my teenage years. Here is your evidence. So now you know: all that shit wasn't just rebellious teens wanting to be sexy, it was gross pedo predators grooming them. RE: My Generation Was Groomed - Clover - Mar 26 2026 I saw the thread title and I was like "damn... yeah..." I was also thinking about it in the context of the internet. (Though in that case, younger generations have also been groomed sadly...) But yeah, it's so morbid to look back and think about how prominent young girls sexualizing themselves was seen as "normal" or "in" or whatever. The Playboy bunny was all over the place. I remember going through my teenhood possessions when I emptied out my childhood room a few years ago, and came across a bunch of panties. Like... thongs... when I was in high school. I was thinking like. 1. How the hell did I wear this? and 2. Why the hell did I wear this? I mean, I know why, now, looking back, thinking about how the pop culture at the time was all about sexualization. It was also a weird kind of "sexy cute" which... I guess makes sense if it was all a bunch of nasty old pedo men in charge of promoting this culture to girls. My sister is Gen Z and I am like, well, I mean she fell into and had to deal with the trans hysteria for her generation, but I am glad she hadn't had to deal with the sexualization culture I had fallen into in high school.
RE: My Generation Was Groomed - hatpin - Mar 27 2026 I appreciated this being posted on Raddish. I read the entire article, and left my angry-at-men comment over there :) Thank you for sharing this with us. I am the generation before (X), and I watched it all, helplessly, from the sideline of my 30s, too old to be marketed to by them, by design. Someone gave me a VS bra in high school, it was uncomfortable and ugly, and I hated the way the store looked, so I never shopped there. I wanted support, not displays for men. RE: My Generation Was Groomed - Mixmax - Mar 27 2026 I'm a Millennial as well and it was just generally a very weird time. You mention fat shaming, rightfully so, but it also transported my mind to the era of ''sex positive third wave feminism''. I came of age in the time that it was really riding its high and I was shocked to see what it was about. I learned about feminism in history class and I didn't have AS much access to social media and internet in general before I moved out, so once I did, I was so confused as to what ''feminism'' had become as it seemed so antithetical to how I knew it. (learned about the first 2 waves etc) I also remember the Playboy bunny, yeah, in high school already... I thought that was really weird and inappropriate, at the time. Degrading. Honestly, for us as Millennial women it was a shitshow. I sometimes think back to how third wave feminism ''behaved'' at the time and how honestly, outright dangerous and harmful it was. I feel like we were groomed from at least 2 sides: the one mentioned here, but also ''feminism''. I can really see, looking back but also at the time, how this culture laid the groundwork for aggressive inclusion of TIM; I feel like it helped eradicate any sense of ''class consciousness'' in women. Back then, I noticed how unhealthy it all was and thought to myself ''I must be 'sex-negative' then''. Women and even girls were encouraged to undergo degrading things and claim it back as being a ''kinky sl*t'' or whatever, as the ultimate self-humiliation. They took this sick culture, recognized the shaming, rejected that shame and sold the culture back to us as empowerment. It's good that they saw the shaming! However, that shouldn't mean that we should embace the very culture that was grooming litte kids. And yeah, the thing with fatshaming... They went the route of ''fat girls/women can be just as fuckable! [and that's what really matters for a woman]''. There was hardly a way, culturally, to just be dignified and A Person. You had to embrace this grooming sl*t culture or you were a prude, repressed, religious, boring, un-liberated. It was a clusterfuck. I felt estranged and dissociated from feminism at the time. RE: My Generation Was Groomed - Elsacat - Mar 27 2026 I can't remember whether I saw the following comment on Reddit or Twitter or where, nor the exact wording, but the gist of it stuck with me: Much of the popular culture of the last 25-30 years was directly or indirectly shaped by Jeffrey Epstein. (My addendum: With help from a lot of really shitty, rich, powerful people across nearly every area you can think of: politics, economics, academia, fashion, tech, you name it) RE: My Generation Was Groomed - Impress Polly - Mar 27 2026 (Mar 26 2026, 7:48 PM)Clover I saw the thread title and I was like "damn... yeah..." I was also thinking about it in the context of the internet. (Though in that case, younger generations have also been groomed sadly...) But yeah, it's so morbid to look back and think about how prominent young girls sexualizing themselves was seen as "normal" or "in" or whatever. The Playboy bunny was all over the place. I remember going through my teenhood possessions when I emptied out my childhood room a few years ago, and came across a bunch of panties. Like... thongs... when I was in high school. I was thinking like. 1. How the hell did I wear this? and 2. Why the hell did I wear this? I mean, I know why, now, looking back, thinking about how the pop culture at the time was all about sexualization. It was also a weird kind of "sexy cute" which... I guess makes sense if it was all a bunch of nasty old pedo men in charge of promoting this culture to girls. Yarrrrr. There are conspiracy theories and there are conspiracy facts. One conspiracy fact is that men have created and used secretive little cults to oppress women across time and space for probably tens of thousands of years, going all the way back to the Upper Paleolithic age. In today's world, these may not so often be as institutionalized as they once were, but these creepy-ass traditions have modern-day descendants nonetheless. And no, though I was more of a Hot Topic girl than an Abercrombie one, I wasn't by any means immune to the pull of the pornified culture of that era either. Hypersexuality, after all, is a common response to sexual trauma and the commercial culture of the turn of the century essentially (often including in the "alternative" scene) felt like it was built to normalize it; to convey what in reality for many is a trauma response as a healthy one that everyone's supposed to experience. Sexual trauma as normal in essence. And yeah, definitely about Playboy insignia and references seeming to be EVERYWHERE in the culture at the turn of the century! The rock stars (there were still rock stars back then) and rappers and sometimes even politicians all seemed to make very public stops a the Playboy mansion (sometimes in their music videos), major video games (like entries in the Tony Hawk and Metal Gear Solid franchises, for example) did things include include Playboy covers as in-game collectibles and whatnot, and it seemed like sooner or later just about every female celeb wound up on a Playboy cover. The turn of the century very much felt like it was the heyday of Playboy. Even today this tradition continues to some extent, as it remains common for anime girls or women in Japanese video games to be outfitted as Playboy bunnies to this day. RE: My Generation Was Groomed - Impress Polly - Mar 27 2026 (Yesterday, 8:05 AM)Mixmax I'm a Millennial as well and it was just generally a very weird time. You mention fat shaming, rightfully so, but it also transported my mind to the era of ''sex positive third wave feminism''. I came of age in the time that it was really riding its high and I was shocked to see what it was about. I learned about feminism in history class and I didn't have AS much access to social media and internet in general before I moved out, so once I did, I was so confused as to what ''feminism'' had become as it seemed so antithetical to how I knew it. (learned about the first 2 waves etc) I never had a women's studies course myself, although I did eventually discover what some have called a logical equivalent in the form of season one of the Breaking Down Patriarchy podcast. The first season was an extensive series of commentaries on a wide range of feminist literature covering the events of Western history from prehistory to the present day. (The subsequent seasons I haven't followed because they're just woke-ass garbage, frankly, that's far less informative and helpful.) Especially if you're too lazy (or poor) to actually read all that literature for yourself, it can be useful! Anyway, I relate. I was never interested in the liberal brand of feminist politics either before I knew anything about it or after. I'm sorry, but the income gap, learning how to request anal sex without alienating your moid (spoiler: it's really challenging! wink wink) and all the ways to supposedly enjoy sex without achieving orgasm (yerp, that was the actual subject of one of their articles I read back in the day) just can't sustain my interest for very long. I'm a big picture person. What I find compelling is the story of how all this came to be, discovering the layers of self-loathing I've internalized over the course of my life, and estimating where all this going. That is the stuff I get only from the more radical feminists. I have no energy left in me for more debates over whether human beings are a sexually dimorphic species. They're too insulting to my intelligence. I can't stand that kind of postmodernist crap. RE: My Generation Was Groomed - Impress Polly - Mar 27 2026 As an aside, I originally thought about including my personal answer to the author's concluding series of questions... "Did the people who did this to us do it on purpose? Were we simply watching capitalism in action? Or was it something closer to being groomed?" ...but in truth they're all the same question really. The answer is yes. Yes to all. The key thing really is just to understand that male competition is generally sexual competition. Male animals broadly are biologically designed to compete for the sexual interest and selection of females. This is often expressed in things like the accumulation of desirable resources. Capitalism, in other words, is simply one form in which competition between men for sexual opportunities finds expression. It's a symptom of the problem, not the problem itself. |