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The Democrats Need an Honest Conversation on Gender Identity - Clover - Nov 11 2024
The Atlantic, November 10 2024.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/the-democrats-need-an-honest-conversation-on-gender-identity/ar-AA1tPmhx
Quote:Although most Americans agree that transgender people should not face discrimination in housing and employment, there is nowhere near the same level of support for allowing transgender women to compete in women’s sports—which is why Donald Trump kept bringing up the issue. His campaign also barraged swing-state voters and sports fans with ads reminding them that Kamala Harris had previously supported taxpayer-funded gender-reassignment surgery for prisoners. The commercials were effective: The New York Times reported that Future Forward, a pro-Harris super PAC, found that one ad “shifted the race 2.7 percentage points in Mr. Trump’s favor after viewers watched it.” The Harris campaign mostly avoided the subject.
Discussion on /s/GenderCritical
RE: The Democrats Need an Honest Conversation on Gender Identity - ILoveKaleJustSoDangMuch - Nov 11 2024
I'll read the whole article in a minute, but based on this excerpt...yeah. I'd say I'm in that camp. Nobody should face discrimination in housing and (to an extent) employment, no matter how delulu they are. I think even the most radical of radfems would agree with that. But also if you think men should be in women's sports because they took hormones....delulu.
RE: The Democrats Need an Honest Conversation on Gender Identity - Clover - Nov 14 2024
It's a decent article, it covers a wide range of events and opinions from people across the political aisle.
One part that irked me:
Quote:How did we get here? At the end of Barack Obama’s second term, gay marriage was extended to all 50 states, an achievement for which LGBTQ groups had spent decades campaigning.
The equivocation of gay rights and transgender privileges strikes again! And the rewriting of history, imo. Back then, it was primarily LGB. And yes, there could be some argument that LGBT had been trying to be a thing in the LGB movement since the early 2000s, but for the most part, people viewed the achievement as one for LGB groups. I feel like LGBT/Q was more obscure and probably only existed in very liberal "obscure" bubbles (eg. higher academia).
Overall, it's a good article to hopefully get more Democrats to be okay with being gender critical. I view it as building a golden bridge. I'd like to think more of those golden bridges are coming.