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Thoughts on conservatism - Clover - Jun 18 2024 A thread to collect my thoughts and observations on conservatism/right-wing politics or resources I find useful. Related threads: I was just reading this reddit thread: https://old.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/comments/1diqlb8/376_unreal/l95mlsf/?context=3 Cougardoodle The police started harassing [the unarmed woman who rescued her kids during the Ulvade School Massacre] and the community joined in. I am assuming the book being referred to is The Mass Psychology of Fascism by Wilhelm Reich. African_Farmer Honestly this explains a lot. The need for religion, religious virtue-signalling, performative patriotism, rules for thee not for me, beliefs that the rich and powerful "deserve" their wealth and power. Curious_Fox4595 They need those hierarchies so much. There's some interesting stuff out there discussing how the power differential of the vertical system of Christianity forms the basis of how they think everything should work. It doesn't matter if the rules make sense or cause harm, they need to be followed, not questioned, or heaven forbid, changed. They come down from a higher power, which means you obey, and you like it. RE: Thoughts on conservatism - drdee - Jun 26 2024 I wrote in my response to Kozlik's questions about how this fundamental reliance on hierarchy is in direct conflict with the New Testament, e.g.: St Paul writing to the Galatians: Gal 3:28 The Beatitudes: Mat 5:5 The story of the rich young man: Mat 19:30 and Mat 20:16 Jesus washing his disciples' feet: John 13:5 I don't see how Christianity and hierarchy can actually be reconciled. (The answer of course is that Christianity is actually the religion of the Roman Empire, not the New Testament.) RE: Thoughts on conservatism - Clover - Jun 27 2024 I think New Testament is not all it's cracked up to be. Women on Ovarit sometimes handwave away criticisms of the Bible if it's based on quoting OT because "that's OT" but there are similarly sexist passages in the NT (scroll down for the NT passages). Then they sometimes handwave that away because "it's Timothy, he doesn't count!" or whoever that one super sexist guy is in the NT. The Bible is strange, because certain passages do preach values of equality and fairness among all. Yet other passages glorify obedience to hierarchies (most commonly patriarchal, women obeying men). Modern-day Christians, especially ones in the United States, especially ones who are "loud and proud" about being Christian (which ironically is also frowned upon in the Bible if I recall correctly) worship Supply Side Jesus. RE: Thoughts on conservatism - drdee - Jun 27 2024 Yeah, I'm not talking about sexism here, just pointing out that the New Testament, and Jesus's actions as described therein, conflict with conservatives' fundamental reliance on the immutability of hierarchy, and I can't personally figure out why that doesn't register with Christian conservatives. (As I said, the actual answer to this riddle is that the Christianity we experience today is the religion of the Roman Empire, which aligns pretty neatly with what conservatives want from a religion.) RE: Thoughts on conservatism - Clover - Jul 6 2024 NYT article "your religious values are not American values" discussion thread on r/atheism: https://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/1dvx0dc/your_religious_values_are_not_american_values/ RE: Thoughts on conservatism - Clover - Jan 16 2025 Comment on a Reddit post about a state forcing students to cite the pledge of allegiance: https://reddit.com/comments/1i2pozm/comment/m7gi05y acfox13 It is exactly operant conditioning. RE: Thoughts on conservatism - Clover - Jan 29 2025 https://reddit.com/comments/1iczenk/comment/m9vuert kittenTakeover There are two things that most Trump voters don't comprehend. First, people are the most important resource of a country and investing in the people of a country, via healthcare, childcare, education, emergency assistance, healthy environments, etc. lifts the whole country up. Second, bosses at the top of corporations are not your ally. Empowering them will not enrich you. Rather, it will enable them to exploit and pillfer you to a greater degree. RE: Thoughts on conservatism - Clover - Feb 1 2025 I want to pull stuff out from this post & comments later: https://reddit.com/r/economicCollapse/comments/1if2mdc/why_are_citizens_of_the_usa_not_doing_anything/ |