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Prolapse, tearing, pain: a urogynecologist on what you should know before giving birth - Clover - Feb 11 2025 The Guardian, February 10 2025. https://www.theguardian.com/wellness/2025/feb/10/urogynecologist-childbirth-interview Quote:Dr Jocelyn Fitzgerald, who specializes in disorders of the pelvic floor, is ‘begging women to learn’ the physical risks and changes that accompany childbirth Quote:I like to joke, but actually I’m very serious, that the reason more women don’t know about urogynecology is because we would have to admit that we need urogynecologists,” Fitzgerald says. Discussion on Ovarit. RE: Prolapse, tearing, pain: a urogynecologist on what you should know before giving b... - Persephone - Feb 12 2025 First comment I see is "There is no point resenting it." Forces, I hate seeing this "it is what it is" attitude so prevalent among women. We hold back our own healthcare and technological progress by bending over and accepting our suffering and sacrifice as part of "what it's about" or whatever. RE: Prolapse, tearing, pain: a urogynecologist on what you should know before giving b... - komorebi - Feb 13 2025 Low key this is what drives me crazy about people who are like "but the female body was DESIGNED to give birth!" Like first of all, I don't believe there's a designer, but if there WAS one, they did a fucking awful job. (Feb 12 2025, 4:47 AM)Persephone First comment I see is "There is no point resenting it." Lmao, I just saw that comment. Might as well just come out and say that we women should accept our lot in life and not ask for more, eh? 🙄 RE: Prolapse, tearing, pain: a urogynecologist on what you should know before giving b... - Clover - Feb 13 2025 Yep. The dismissal of women's health concerns regarding giving birth in some comments is disappointing. The comment about "I'm glad I didn't know about this when I was young" was especially telling. So... if a woman had more knowledge about the health risks involved with pregnancy, she might have possibly made different choices, because she care about her well-being? And that's bad somehow? "Ignorance is bliss" mentality, mixed with "women are destined to create life" biological essentialism/appeals to nature, mixed with "being a mother is a woman's greatest calling" bullshit. There is nothing wrong with women having more knowledge about possible adverse effects of giving birth. If that stops a woman from wanting to have children... so?! Is that not her right? It also then implies not having children is somehow "bad." RE: Prolapse, tearing, pain: a urogynecologist on what you should know before giving b... - wormwood - Feb 13 2025 don’t want to read the piece for, um, reasons, but does she say if there’s anything a pregnant woman can do to help prevent injury? I know childbirth is a traumatic and unpredictable event, and nothing can be ruled out, but to improve the odds? When I was pregnant the advice was to avoid pelvic floor exercises in case the triggered labour prematurely. RE: Prolapse, tearing, pain: a urogynecologist on what you should know before giving b... - Clover - Feb 14 2025 (Feb 13 2025, 10:43 PM)wormwood don’t want to read the piece for, um, reasons, but does she say if there’s anything a pregnant woman can do to help prevent injury? I know childbirth is a traumatic and unpredictable event, and nothing can be ruled out, but to improve the odds? Here's the section relating to that: Dr Jocelyn Fitzgerald How can women prepare themselves for some of these potential injuries and complications?The AUGS book is called Pelvic Floor Health: Your Guide to Pregnancy and Postpartum Care so that seems promising. Chapter 2 is "Pelvic Floor Health During Pregnancy" and Chapter 3 is "Preparing for Delivery" and the rest are about postpartum care. RE: Prolapse, tearing, pain: a urogynecologist on what you should know before giving b... - wormwood - Feb 14 2025 Thank you. That seems promising, though there is still so much to be done. RE: Prolapse, tearing, pain: a urogynecologist on what you should know before giving b... - Wandering_Feminist56 - Feb 14 2025 Wow, one commenter on Ovarit says that having children is about courage and sacrifice so these risks and this pain is part of it, others dismiss these risks and experiences and minimize their significance. It's so weird and sad. They're against a Handmaid's Tale-like society but are minimizing concerns about health and pain as part of pregnancy. It reads as very conservative, and even more so when they discourage fully informing women about the possible consequences. What the heck? RE: Prolapse, tearing, pain: a urogynecologist on what you should know before giving b... - Persephone - Feb 14 2025 (Feb 14 2025, 3:54 AM)Wandering_Feminist56 Wow, one commenter on Ovarit says that having children is about courage and sacrifice so these risks and this pain is part of it, others dismiss these risks and experiences and minimize their significance. It's so weird and sad. They're against a Handmaid's Tale-like society but are minimizing concerns about health and pain as part of pregnancy. It reads as very conservative, and even more so when they discourage fully informing women about the possible consequences. Main reason I left Ovarit. There were hints of it even before the trad takeover - They called themselves pro-women, but were adamant to defend, deny or deflect any suffering caused to us by nature and not the hands of men. RE: Prolapse, tearing, pain: a urogynecologist on what you should know before giving b... - Chernobog - Feb 14 2025 Quote:PersephoneREAL. Like, at a bare minimum it seems fairly obvious to me that a cornerstone of opposing misogyny is acknowledging that even under ideal social circumstances, female suffering is guaranteed, or at least highly likely, so it's just excessive cruelty to run whole civilizations by exploiting that suffering. It's also agonizing to see "appeals to nature" that completely ignore what actually goes on in nature, as if "the way" is for females of all species is to suffer in beautiful, noble silence when the reality is that females of all species are clever, resourceful and, when push comes to shove, get real mad and kill stuff. |