clovenhooves The Personal Is Political Everyday Sexism ''positive male role models'' is such an easy cop-out to excuse misogyny in boys

''positive male role models'' is such an easy cop-out to excuse misogyny in boys

''positive male role models'' is such an easy cop-out to excuse misogyny in boys

 
4 hours ago
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I often see people say that boys need positive male role models especially in the context of misogyny among gen Z males. They'll say it in the context of discussion about the manosphere, suggesting that Tate and the like are attractive to follow due to ''lack of positive male role models''. It also appears when discussing education and school and how we need more male teachers in every level, or when cowardly/indirectly shaming single moms for being single. (as if the dad who left, would be a ''positive male role model'' in the first place but they don't think that one through)

But... Aren't there plenty? Yeah, okay, I'll admit that the names of many celebrities and famous men are tainted by scandals, but that doesn't make them worse than Tate. Okay, but then there're also still plenty of examples that ARE decent, right? At least as far as we know now. And moving away from famous men, there're also, one hopes, plenty of ''positive male role models'' on a smaller scale in these boy's lives. Or else people who use that argument are more misandrist than I am. Coaches, teachers, neighbours, friends' fathers... There should still be plenty.

So why, then, do they choose to listen to rabid misogynists? Well, that's where we're starting to ask the real questions. I just find it annoying how easily people accept the rationalization of ''we need more positive male role models'' as if that means anything, but when you pick it apart, it doesn't.

And let's say there's a genuinely positive famous man who treats women right. Alright: he per definition isn't what they look up to anymore. A decent male teacher telling them not to be raging misogynists is just [whatever incel MRA insult is treding right now].
Edited 4 hours ago by Mixmax.
Mixmax
4 hours ago #1

I often see people say that boys need positive male role models especially in the context of misogyny among gen Z males. They'll say it in the context of discussion about the manosphere, suggesting that Tate and the like are attractive to follow due to ''lack of positive male role models''. It also appears when discussing education and school and how we need more male teachers in every level, or when cowardly/indirectly shaming single moms for being single. (as if the dad who left, would be a ''positive male role model'' in the first place but they don't think that one through)

But... Aren't there plenty? Yeah, okay, I'll admit that the names of many celebrities and famous men are tainted by scandals, but that doesn't make them worse than Tate. Okay, but then there're also still plenty of examples that ARE decent, right? At least as far as we know now. And moving away from famous men, there're also, one hopes, plenty of ''positive male role models'' on a smaller scale in these boy's lives. Or else people who use that argument are more misandrist than I am. Coaches, teachers, neighbours, friends' fathers... There should still be plenty.

So why, then, do they choose to listen to rabid misogynists? Well, that's where we're starting to ask the real questions. I just find it annoying how easily people accept the rationalization of ''we need more positive male role models'' as if that means anything, but when you pick it apart, it doesn't.

And let's say there's a genuinely positive famous man who treats women right. Alright: he per definition isn't what they look up to anymore. A decent male teacher telling them not to be raging misogynists is just [whatever incel MRA insult is treding right now].

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