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Is shipping good for separatism?

Is shipping good for separatism?

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Knotgonnalie

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Nov 10 2025, 9:46 AM

#11

(Nov 9 2025, 10:58 PM)YesYourNigel
(Nov 9 2025, 5:18 PM)Knotgonnalie I should have clarified. I mean of course a woman who is heterosexual is going to be focused on either gay male or male-female romance since she is exclusively MALE attracted. So she is androcentric, hence the appeal of erotica and "shipping."

Imagine if the vast majority of porn that both men and women created treated the penis as entirely irrelevant to sex, and if the particularly enlightened women knew to add in a bit of petting to that area before moving onto cunnilingus. All of the patriarchal biases I mentioned apply as much to straight men as they do to straight women, which doesn't make sense - shouldn't straight women like different things from straight men? Why do straight women like sexualised women in lingerie and the focus on how attractive or beautiful female bodies are? Why do straight women like not having any attention paid to their centre of sexual pleasure? Why are straight women always so insistent that orgasms and their clits are unimportant? Because women do not profit off of the male self-centred sexual entitlement that is taken for granted in straight relationships.

Who says straight women don't like different things than straight men?? Straight men don't read gay male romance/erotica. They don't read fan fiction/shipping.

Knotgonnalie

Nov 10 2025, 9:46 AM #11

(Nov 9 2025, 10:58 PM)YesYourNigel
(Nov 9 2025, 5:18 PM)Knotgonnalie I should have clarified. I mean of course a woman who is heterosexual is going to be focused on either gay male or male-female romance since she is exclusively MALE attracted. So she is androcentric, hence the appeal of erotica and "shipping."

Imagine if the vast majority of porn that both men and women created treated the penis as entirely irrelevant to sex, and if the particularly enlightened women knew to add in a bit of petting to that area before moving onto cunnilingus. All of the patriarchal biases I mentioned apply as much to straight men as they do to straight women, which doesn't make sense - shouldn't straight women like different things from straight men? Why do straight women like sexualised women in lingerie and the focus on how attractive or beautiful female bodies are? Why do straight women like not having any attention paid to their centre of sexual pleasure? Why are straight women always so insistent that orgasms and their clits are unimportant? Because women do not profit off of the male self-centred sexual entitlement that is taken for granted in straight relationships.

Who says straight women don't like different things than straight men?? Straight men don't read gay male romance/erotica. They don't read fan fiction/shipping.

YesYourNigel

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Nov 10 2025, 11:21 AM

#12

(Nov 10 2025, 9:46 AM)Knotgonnalie
(Nov 9 2025, 10:58 PM)YesYourNigel
(Nov 9 2025, 5:18 PM)Knotgonnalie I should have clarified. I mean of course a woman who is heterosexual is going to be focused on either gay male or male-female romance since she is exclusively MALE attracted. So she is androcentric, hence the appeal of erotica and "shipping."

Imagine if the vast majority of porn that both men and women created treated the penis as entirely irrelevant to sex, and if the particularly enlightened women knew to add in a bit of petting to that area before moving onto cunnilingus. All of the patriarchal biases I mentioned apply as much to straight men as they do to straight women, which doesn't make sense - shouldn't straight women like different things from straight men? Why do straight women like sexualised women in lingerie and the focus on how attractive or beautiful female bodies are? Why do straight women like not having any attention paid to their centre of sexual pleasure? Why are straight women always so insistent that orgasms and their clits are unimportant? Because women do not profit off of the male self-centred sexual entitlement that is taken for granted in straight relationships.
Who says straight women don't like different things than straight men?? Straight men don't read gay male romance/erotica. They don't read fan fiction/shipping.

Which are all androcentric and phallocentric. Straight men revolve their sexuality around their pleasure, their stimulation, their dicks, their fetishes. Straight women revolve their sexuality around male pleasure, male stimulation, men's dicks, men's fetishes. Writing it off as "lulz I guess women just happen to like different things" doesn't cut it when these "different" things are just another manifestation of patriarchal double standards where women are either erased or celebrated as sexually liberated so long as they've stockholm-syndromed themselves into getting off to the unequal sexual norms in place.

Edited Nov 10 2025, 11:24 AM by YesYourNigel.

I refuse to debate two obvious facts: 1. the patriarchy exists 2. and that's a bad thing

YesYourNigel

Nov 10 2025, 11:21 AM #12

(Nov 10 2025, 9:46 AM)Knotgonnalie
(Nov 9 2025, 10:58 PM)YesYourNigel
(Nov 9 2025, 5:18 PM)Knotgonnalie I should have clarified. I mean of course a woman who is heterosexual is going to be focused on either gay male or male-female romance since she is exclusively MALE attracted. So she is androcentric, hence the appeal of erotica and "shipping."

Imagine if the vast majority of porn that both men and women created treated the penis as entirely irrelevant to sex, and if the particularly enlightened women knew to add in a bit of petting to that area before moving onto cunnilingus. All of the patriarchal biases I mentioned apply as much to straight men as they do to straight women, which doesn't make sense - shouldn't straight women like different things from straight men? Why do straight women like sexualised women in lingerie and the focus on how attractive or beautiful female bodies are? Why do straight women like not having any attention paid to their centre of sexual pleasure? Why are straight women always so insistent that orgasms and their clits are unimportant? Because women do not profit off of the male self-centred sexual entitlement that is taken for granted in straight relationships.
Who says straight women don't like different things than straight men?? Straight men don't read gay male romance/erotica. They don't read fan fiction/shipping.

Which are all androcentric and phallocentric. Straight men revolve their sexuality around their pleasure, their stimulation, their dicks, their fetishes. Straight women revolve their sexuality around male pleasure, male stimulation, men's dicks, men's fetishes. Writing it off as "lulz I guess women just happen to like different things" doesn't cut it when these "different" things are just another manifestation of patriarchal double standards where women are either erased or celebrated as sexually liberated so long as they've stockholm-syndromed themselves into getting off to the unequal sexual norms in place.

I refuse to debate two obvious facts: 1. the patriarchy exists 2. and that's a bad thing

Knotgonnalie

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Nov 10 2025, 12:37 PM

#13

(Nov 10 2025, 11:21 AM)YesYourNigel
(Nov 10 2025, 9:46 AM)Knotgonnalie
(Nov 9 2025, 10:58 PM)YesYourNigel
(Nov 9 2025, 5:18 PM)Knotgonnalie I should have clarified. I mean of course a woman who is heterosexual is going to be focused on either gay male or male-female romance since she is exclusively MALE attracted. So she is androcentric, hence the appeal of erotica and "shipping."

Imagine if the vast majority of porn that both men and women created treated the penis as entirely irrelevant to sex, and if the particularly enlightened women knew to add in a bit of petting to that area before moving onto cunnilingus. All of the patriarchal biases I mentioned apply as much to straight men as they do to straight women, which doesn't make sense - shouldn't straight women like different things from straight men? Why do straight women like sexualised women in lingerie and the focus on how attractive or beautiful female bodies are? Why do straight women like not having any attention paid to their centre of sexual pleasure? Why are straight women always so insistent that orgasms and their clits are unimportant? Because women do not profit off of the male self-centred sexual entitlement that is taken for granted in straight relationships.
Who says straight women don't like different things than straight men?? Straight men don't read gay male romance/erotica. They don't read fan fiction/shipping.
Which are all androcentric and phallocentric. Straight men revolve their sexuality around their pleasure, their stimulation, their dicks, their fetishes. Straight women revolve their sexuality around male pleasure, male stimulation, men's dicks, men's fetishes. Writing it off as "lulz I guess women just happen to like different things" doesn't cut it when these "different" things are just another manifestation of patriarchal double standards where women are either erased or celebrated as sexually liberated so long as they've stockholm-syndromed themselves into getting off to the unequal sexual norms in place.

Men often watch lesbian or female solo porn (and sometimes read) because they are not into male bodies and don't want to see it at all. The same carries over to heterosexual women. Not being attracted to women is not Stockholm syndrome.

Knotgonnalie

Nov 10 2025, 12:37 PM #13

(Nov 10 2025, 11:21 AM)YesYourNigel
(Nov 10 2025, 9:46 AM)Knotgonnalie
(Nov 9 2025, 10:58 PM)YesYourNigel
(Nov 9 2025, 5:18 PM)Knotgonnalie I should have clarified. I mean of course a woman who is heterosexual is going to be focused on either gay male or male-female romance since she is exclusively MALE attracted. So she is androcentric, hence the appeal of erotica and "shipping."

Imagine if the vast majority of porn that both men and women created treated the penis as entirely irrelevant to sex, and if the particularly enlightened women knew to add in a bit of petting to that area before moving onto cunnilingus. All of the patriarchal biases I mentioned apply as much to straight men as they do to straight women, which doesn't make sense - shouldn't straight women like different things from straight men? Why do straight women like sexualised women in lingerie and the focus on how attractive or beautiful female bodies are? Why do straight women like not having any attention paid to their centre of sexual pleasure? Why are straight women always so insistent that orgasms and their clits are unimportant? Because women do not profit off of the male self-centred sexual entitlement that is taken for granted in straight relationships.
Who says straight women don't like different things than straight men?? Straight men don't read gay male romance/erotica. They don't read fan fiction/shipping.
Which are all androcentric and phallocentric. Straight men revolve their sexuality around their pleasure, their stimulation, their dicks, their fetishes. Straight women revolve their sexuality around male pleasure, male stimulation, men's dicks, men's fetishes. Writing it off as "lulz I guess women just happen to like different things" doesn't cut it when these "different" things are just another manifestation of patriarchal double standards where women are either erased or celebrated as sexually liberated so long as they've stockholm-syndromed themselves into getting off to the unequal sexual norms in place.

Men often watch lesbian or female solo porn (and sometimes read) because they are not into male bodies and don't want to see it at all. The same carries over to heterosexual women. Not being attracted to women is not Stockholm syndrome.

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