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libfem vs radfem vs tradfem

 
Jan 27 2025, 10:13 AM
#4
This is so well thought out! (I gave up trying to slot myself into any of the "isms" because I realize how uneducated I am on a lot of it and how badly I've misused some of the terms.) May I add a few ideas here? You can let me know if you think they fit into what you've laid out, or if I'm plowing a completely different field here.

- Trump is bad, and Trumpism/MAGA will outlive him and continue to be bad regardless of its figurehead. (swap "bad" for "good/necessary evil" for the tradfem view)

- something in the Radfem section about welcoming in those who were previously libfem or tradfem and realized those ideologies are fundamentally harmful to women. Because a lot of women don't start out radfem, they find their way there through other ideologies that they gradually realize are not helping or serving them, similar to the description of desisted/detrans.

- something in Radfem section about understanding that "gender critical" means "critical of gender and gender stereotypes, going beyond criticism of trans ideology", and the libfem/tradfem sections could probably have "conflates gender criticism with trans criticism and sees little to no issue with forcing people into gender stereotypes"

- something in the libfem and tradfem sections about "elevating men's voices over women's, when the men are repeating things women have already been saying, is fine as long as they're saying the same things the women were saying." Whereas for radfem, pointing out the women's voices and elevating the women's voices over the male latecomers is the priority. (see also "Where are the feminists?" Usually being talked over by men)
Elsacat
Jan 27 2025, 10:13 AM #4

This is so well thought out! (I gave up trying to slot myself into any of the "isms" because I realize how uneducated I am on a lot of it and how badly I've misused some of the terms.) May I add a few ideas here? You can let me know if you think they fit into what you've laid out, or if I'm plowing a completely different field here.

- Trump is bad, and Trumpism/MAGA will outlive him and continue to be bad regardless of its figurehead. (swap "bad" for "good/necessary evil" for the tradfem view)

- something in the Radfem section about welcoming in those who were previously libfem or tradfem and realized those ideologies are fundamentally harmful to women. Because a lot of women don't start out radfem, they find their way there through other ideologies that they gradually realize are not helping or serving them, similar to the description of desisted/detrans.

- something in Radfem section about understanding that "gender critical" means "critical of gender and gender stereotypes, going beyond criticism of trans ideology", and the libfem/tradfem sections could probably have "conflates gender criticism with trans criticism and sees little to no issue with forcing people into gender stereotypes"

- something in the libfem and tradfem sections about "elevating men's voices over women's, when the men are repeating things women have already been saying, is fine as long as they're saying the same things the women were saying." Whereas for radfem, pointing out the women's voices and elevating the women's voices over the male latecomers is the priority. (see also "Where are the feminists?" Usually being talked over by men)


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libfem vs radfem vs tradfem - by Possum - Jan 26 2025, 9:34 PM
RE: libfem vs radfem vs tradfem - by Possum - Jan 26 2025, 9:52 PM
RE: libfem vs radfem vs tradfem - by Possum - Jan 26 2025, 10:08 PM
RE: libfem vs radfem vs tradfem - by Elsacat - Jan 27 2025, 10:13 AM
RE: libfem vs radfem vs tradfem - by Possum - Jan 27 2025, 5:57 PM
RE: libfem vs radfem vs tradfem - by Possum - Jan 27 2025, 6:40 PM
RE: libfem vs radfem vs tradfem - by komorebi - Jan 27 2025, 6:57 PM
RE: libfem vs radfem vs tradfem - by Elsacat - Jan 28 2025, 9:03 AM
RE: libfem vs radfem vs tradfem - by Possum - Jan 28 2025, 1:01 PM
RE: libfem vs radfem vs tradfem - by Possum - Jan 28 2025, 1:01 PM
RE: libfem vs radfem vs tradfem - by Possum - Feb 5 2025, 1:39 PM
RE: libfem vs radfem vs tradfem - by ShameMustChangeSides - Feb 5 2025, 9:02 PM
RE: libfem vs radfem vs tradfem - by Possum - Feb 6 2025, 7:33 PM
RE: libfem vs radfem vs tradfem - by magdalyn - Mar 19 2025, 10:04 AM
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