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Jun 26 2025, 10:55 AM
#11
(Jun 25 2025, 2:59 PM)Clover Update to this: "Sabrina Carpenter shares alternate covers for her upcoming album ‘Man’s Best Friend’: “here is a new alternate cover approved by God”" https://reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/comments/1lk9tz0/sabrina_carpenter_shares_alternate_covers_for_her/

Basically insisting anyone who criticized her original album cover is a stuck up religious prude.

ceilingsfann God i hate this narrative that when people call out the degradation of women ppl call it conservative and about “purity”

ourobourobouros Western liberals tend to hate feminism just as much as conservatives do. That's why feminism has been reduced to "women doing whatever they want" and actually calling out misogyny is now 'puritanical and controlling'

Honestly, this response makes me dislike her even more. Way to completely dismiss the legitimate issues women have with that shitty, misogynistic album cover. But it was so expected. Every time women have an issue with objectification and degradation now, its dismissed as this so there's never a real discussion or change around it. We just wind up in the same status quo. Im so over it. 

Besides her completely missing the point (most likely deliberately) Im also over it because it makes it seem like religious people are the only sexist assholes out here. Religion is misogynistic af but if people really think atheist men are better, they're sticking their heads in the sand. My father is one of the most horrible misogynists I've ever had the displeasure of being acquainted to. Yet hes an atheist anarchist. Misogyny isn't just in religion, its literally everywhere, all the fucking time, but commentary like this makes it out like it ALL comes from religion and anything else is just women being hysterical or whatever the hell. Its honestly offensive.
skunk
Jun 26 2025, 10:55 AM #11

(Jun 25 2025, 2:59 PM)Clover Update to this: "Sabrina Carpenter shares alternate covers for her upcoming album ‘Man’s Best Friend’: “here is a new alternate cover approved by God”" https://reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/comments/1lk9tz0/sabrina_carpenter_shares_alternate_covers_for_her/

Basically insisting anyone who criticized her original album cover is a stuck up religious prude.

ceilingsfann God i hate this narrative that when people call out the degradation of women ppl call it conservative and about “purity”

ourobourobouros Western liberals tend to hate feminism just as much as conservatives do. That's why feminism has been reduced to "women doing whatever they want" and actually calling out misogyny is now 'puritanical and controlling'

Honestly, this response makes me dislike her even more. Way to completely dismiss the legitimate issues women have with that shitty, misogynistic album cover. But it was so expected. Every time women have an issue with objectification and degradation now, its dismissed as this so there's never a real discussion or change around it. We just wind up in the same status quo. Im so over it. 

Besides her completely missing the point (most likely deliberately) Im also over it because it makes it seem like religious people are the only sexist assholes out here. Religion is misogynistic af but if people really think atheist men are better, they're sticking their heads in the sand. My father is one of the most horrible misogynists I've ever had the displeasure of being acquainted to. Yet hes an atheist anarchist. Misogyny isn't just in religion, its literally everywhere, all the fucking time, but commentary like this makes it out like it ALL comes from religion and anything else is just women being hysterical or whatever the hell. Its honestly offensive.

Jun 26 2025, 9:51 PM
#12
I feel like it's pointless to get mad at her as an individual. She's just a face filtered out among many to be the latest sex object for mass consumption. In a few years a scandal will probably break out about how she was being groomed or sexually assaulted.  These women are not safe nor respected, they are merely performers with entire teams behind them thinking up their music, marketing and image. Any woman who doesn't play this game gets relegated to obscurity. She may be super rich and influential so she doesn't deserve too much sympathy, but none of that would matter without these tactics, and women like these are specifically selected because they won't push back and because they've been fed this idea that this is empowering by all the men in their lives and entire creative and marketing teams. The industry that constructed this and sought out self-hating women to fill out this role is the main culprit here.
Edited Jun 26 2025, 9:55 PM by YesYourNigel.
YesYourNigel
Jun 26 2025, 9:51 PM #12

I feel like it's pointless to get mad at her as an individual. She's just a face filtered out among many to be the latest sex object for mass consumption. In a few years a scandal will probably break out about how she was being groomed or sexually assaulted.  These women are not safe nor respected, they are merely performers with entire teams behind them thinking up their music, marketing and image. Any woman who doesn't play this game gets relegated to obscurity. She may be super rich and influential so she doesn't deserve too much sympathy, but none of that would matter without these tactics, and women like these are specifically selected because they won't push back and because they've been fed this idea that this is empowering by all the men in their lives and entire creative and marketing teams. The industry that constructed this and sought out self-hating women to fill out this role is the main culprit here.

Jun 27 2025, 4:32 AM
#13
It’s very strange to me to see how she’s completely missing the point. She seems witty and intelligent in interviews (unlike other pop stars with controversial takes) so I had hoped she would get it.
lesbiansherlock
Jun 27 2025, 4:32 AM #13

It’s very strange to me to see how she’s completely missing the point. She seems witty and intelligent in interviews (unlike other pop stars with controversial takes) so I had hoped she would get it.

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Jun 27 2025, 2:41 PM
#14
(Jun 26 2025, 10:55 AM)skunk Honestly, this response makes me dislike her even more. Way to completely dismiss the legitimate issues women have with that shitty, misogynistic album cover.

Yeah, I think this new album cover and her tweet accompanying it essentially cements that the original misogynistic cover was not a poorly executed attempt at satire, but basically "legit". :puke: So I think at this point we can safely say that Sabrina Carpenter's entire schtick was never some sort of attempt at a long-game elaborate plan of satirical criticism of femininity. It has always been as it seemed, blatant pandering to the dehumanization of female people as glittery pink sex objects for men.

(Jun 26 2025, 10:55 AM)skunk Im also over it because it makes it seem like religious people are the only sexist assholes out here. Religion is misogynistic af but if people really think atheist men are better, they're sticking their heads in the sand. My father is one of the most horrible misogynists I've ever had the displeasure of being acquainted to. Yet hes an atheist anarchist. Misogyny isn't just in religion, its literally everywhere, all the fucking time, but commentary like this makes it out like it ALL comes from religion and anything else is just women being hysterical or whatever the hell. Its honestly offensive.

💯 And I think YYN had some similar points on this matter in this thread about atheist men who criticize transgenderism. A man being secular does not mean that he is not a misogynist. Those are two entirely separate concepts.

(Jun 27 2025, 4:32 AM)lesbiansherlock It’s very strange to me to see how she’s completely missing the point. She seems witty and intelligent in interviews (unlike other pop stars with controversial takes) so I had hoped she would get it.

That's interesting. I don't really keep up to date with pop culture, so I've never heard her in an interview or anything. Does she ever speak about this glittery hypersexualized feminine popstar persona she has? Like does she ever go "meta" in interviews?

I am curious if this new album cover was some sort of rapid attempt to "save face" by her label. Like, who wrote the tweet? I'm so curious wtf is going on with these choices. Like, what did they think the reaction was going to be like for the original cover? It definitely drew a lot of publicity, was that the goal? But did they not expect for a backlash that would have resulted in people not wanting to buy the album? So then was the new album cover an attempt to get people to feel okay buying the album? And then who the hell had the idea for the tweet that basically suggests it sucks and was made for stuckup religious prudes? It's all just bizarre.

I'm so interested; I really want to have listened in on the conversations between Sabrina Carpenter and her record label or whoever the hell is in charge of profiting off of her image. Like I'm curious who is calling the shots—what does Sabrina want to do with her image versus what does the label want. How much of what we see is what the artist wants versus what the studio wants. The only chance there would be a deeper meaning behind any of her choices is if she wants them to have one. The record label would definitely not give a shit about any deep meaning behind this, the only symbolism they care about is the almighty dollar. So it's all down to Sabrina's vision—if she has one besides "surface-level internalized misogyny glitter pop"—and also how much the record label wants to interfere with Sabrina's vision in order to profit off her.

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Jun 27 2025, 2:41 PM #14

(Jun 26 2025, 10:55 AM)skunk Honestly, this response makes me dislike her even more. Way to completely dismiss the legitimate issues women have with that shitty, misogynistic album cover.

Yeah, I think this new album cover and her tweet accompanying it essentially cements that the original misogynistic cover was not a poorly executed attempt at satire, but basically "legit". :puke: So I think at this point we can safely say that Sabrina Carpenter's entire schtick was never some sort of attempt at a long-game elaborate plan of satirical criticism of femininity. It has always been as it seemed, blatant pandering to the dehumanization of female people as glittery pink sex objects for men.

(Jun 26 2025, 10:55 AM)skunk Im also over it because it makes it seem like religious people are the only sexist assholes out here. Religion is misogynistic af but if people really think atheist men are better, they're sticking their heads in the sand. My father is one of the most horrible misogynists I've ever had the displeasure of being acquainted to. Yet hes an atheist anarchist. Misogyny isn't just in religion, its literally everywhere, all the fucking time, but commentary like this makes it out like it ALL comes from religion and anything else is just women being hysterical or whatever the hell. Its honestly offensive.

💯 And I think YYN had some similar points on this matter in this thread about atheist men who criticize transgenderism. A man being secular does not mean that he is not a misogynist. Those are two entirely separate concepts.

(Jun 27 2025, 4:32 AM)lesbiansherlock It’s very strange to me to see how she’s completely missing the point. She seems witty and intelligent in interviews (unlike other pop stars with controversial takes) so I had hoped she would get it.

That's interesting. I don't really keep up to date with pop culture, so I've never heard her in an interview or anything. Does she ever speak about this glittery hypersexualized feminine popstar persona she has? Like does she ever go "meta" in interviews?

I am curious if this new album cover was some sort of rapid attempt to "save face" by her label. Like, who wrote the tweet? I'm so curious wtf is going on with these choices. Like, what did they think the reaction was going to be like for the original cover? It definitely drew a lot of publicity, was that the goal? But did they not expect for a backlash that would have resulted in people not wanting to buy the album? So then was the new album cover an attempt to get people to feel okay buying the album? And then who the hell had the idea for the tweet that basically suggests it sucks and was made for stuckup religious prudes? It's all just bizarre.

I'm so interested; I really want to have listened in on the conversations between Sabrina Carpenter and her record label or whoever the hell is in charge of profiting off of her image. Like I'm curious who is calling the shots—what does Sabrina want to do with her image versus what does the label want. How much of what we see is what the artist wants versus what the studio wants. The only chance there would be a deeper meaning behind any of her choices is if she wants them to have one. The record label would definitely not give a shit about any deep meaning behind this, the only symbolism they care about is the almighty dollar. So it's all down to Sabrina's vision—if she has one besides "surface-level internalized misogyny glitter pop"—and also how much the record label wants to interfere with Sabrina's vision in order to profit off her.


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Jun 27 2025, 10:53 PM
#15
(Jun 27 2025, 2:41 PM)Clover
(Jun 26 2025, 10:55 AM)skunk Honestly, this response makes me dislike her even more. Way to completely dismiss the legitimate issues women have with that shitty, misogynistic album cover.

Yeah, I think this new album cover and her tweet accompanying it essentially cements that the original misogynistic cover was not a poorly executed attempt at satire, but basically "legit". :puke: So I think at this point we can safely say that Sabrina Carpenter's entire schtick was never some sort of attempt at a long-game elaborate plan of satirical criticism of femininity. It has always been as it seemed, blatant pandering to the dehumanization of female people as glittery pink sex objects for men.

(Jun 26 2025, 10:55 AM)skunk Im also over it because it makes it seem like religious people are the only sexist assholes out here. Religion is misogynistic af but if people really think atheist men are better, they're sticking their heads in the sand. My father is one of the most horrible misogynists I've ever had the displeasure of being acquainted to. Yet hes an atheist anarchist. Misogyny isn't just in religion, its literally everywhere, all the fucking time, but commentary like this makes it out like it ALL comes from religion and anything else is just women being hysterical or whatever the hell. Its honestly offensive.

💯 And I think YYN had some similar points on this matter in this thread about atheist men who criticize transgenderism. A man being secular does not mean that he is not a misogynist. Those are two entirely separate concepts.

(Jun 27 2025, 4:32 AM)lesbiansherlock It’s very strange to me to see how she’s completely missing the point. She seems witty and intelligent in interviews (unlike other pop stars with controversial takes) so I had hoped she would get it.

That's interesting. I don't really keep up to date with pop culture, so I've never heard her in an interview or anything. Does she ever speak about this glittery hypersexualized feminine popstar persona she has? Like does she ever go "meta" in interviews?

I am curious if this new album cover was some sort of rapid attempt to "save face" by her label. Like, who wrote the tweet? I'm so curious wtf is going on with these choices. Like, what did they think the reaction was going to be like for the original cover? It definitely drew a lot of publicity, was that the goal? But did they not expect for a backlash that would have resulted in people not wanting to buy the album? So then was the new album cover an attempt to get people to feel okay buying the album? And then who the hell had the idea for the tweet that basically suggests it sucks and was made for stuckup religious prudes? It's all just bizarre.

I'm so interested; I really want to have listened in on the conversations between Sabrina Carpenter and her record label or whoever the hell is in charge of profiting off of her image. Like I'm curious who is calling the shots—what does Sabrina want to do with her image versus what does the label want. How much of what we see is what the artist wants versus what the studio wants. The only chance there would be a deeper meaning behind any of her choices is if she wants them to have one. The record label would definitely not give a shit about any deep meaning behind this, the only symbolism they care about is the almighty dollar. So it's all down to Sabrina's vision—if she has one besides "surface-level internalized misogyny glitter pop"—and also how much the record label wants to interfere with Sabrina's vision in order to profit off her.

I haven’t heard a ton of interviews but she’s very funny in general and seemed self aware to me. When you compare it to Chappell Roan or JoJo Siwa who both seem… well, let’s say, less informed, I’m just surprised at the lack of understanding. 

I think part of it is that she struggled for years trying to « make it » and it finally worked when she started hypersexualising herself. So now she thinks she’s found her lane and doubles down for fear of losing it all. Who knows.
lesbiansherlock
Jun 27 2025, 10:53 PM #15

(Jun 27 2025, 2:41 PM)Clover
(Jun 26 2025, 10:55 AM)skunk Honestly, this response makes me dislike her even more. Way to completely dismiss the legitimate issues women have with that shitty, misogynistic album cover.

Yeah, I think this new album cover and her tweet accompanying it essentially cements that the original misogynistic cover was not a poorly executed attempt at satire, but basically "legit". :puke: So I think at this point we can safely say that Sabrina Carpenter's entire schtick was never some sort of attempt at a long-game elaborate plan of satirical criticism of femininity. It has always been as it seemed, blatant pandering to the dehumanization of female people as glittery pink sex objects for men.

(Jun 26 2025, 10:55 AM)skunk Im also over it because it makes it seem like religious people are the only sexist assholes out here. Religion is misogynistic af but if people really think atheist men are better, they're sticking their heads in the sand. My father is one of the most horrible misogynists I've ever had the displeasure of being acquainted to. Yet hes an atheist anarchist. Misogyny isn't just in religion, its literally everywhere, all the fucking time, but commentary like this makes it out like it ALL comes from religion and anything else is just women being hysterical or whatever the hell. Its honestly offensive.

💯 And I think YYN had some similar points on this matter in this thread about atheist men who criticize transgenderism. A man being secular does not mean that he is not a misogynist. Those are two entirely separate concepts.

(Jun 27 2025, 4:32 AM)lesbiansherlock It’s very strange to me to see how she’s completely missing the point. She seems witty and intelligent in interviews (unlike other pop stars with controversial takes) so I had hoped she would get it.

That's interesting. I don't really keep up to date with pop culture, so I've never heard her in an interview or anything. Does she ever speak about this glittery hypersexualized feminine popstar persona she has? Like does she ever go "meta" in interviews?

I am curious if this new album cover was some sort of rapid attempt to "save face" by her label. Like, who wrote the tweet? I'm so curious wtf is going on with these choices. Like, what did they think the reaction was going to be like for the original cover? It definitely drew a lot of publicity, was that the goal? But did they not expect for a backlash that would have resulted in people not wanting to buy the album? So then was the new album cover an attempt to get people to feel okay buying the album? And then who the hell had the idea for the tweet that basically suggests it sucks and was made for stuckup religious prudes? It's all just bizarre.

I'm so interested; I really want to have listened in on the conversations between Sabrina Carpenter and her record label or whoever the hell is in charge of profiting off of her image. Like I'm curious who is calling the shots—what does Sabrina want to do with her image versus what does the label want. How much of what we see is what the artist wants versus what the studio wants. The only chance there would be a deeper meaning behind any of her choices is if she wants them to have one. The record label would definitely not give a shit about any deep meaning behind this, the only symbolism they care about is the almighty dollar. So it's all down to Sabrina's vision—if she has one besides "surface-level internalized misogyny glitter pop"—and also how much the record label wants to interfere with Sabrina's vision in order to profit off her.

I haven’t heard a ton of interviews but she’s very funny in general and seemed self aware to me. When you compare it to Chappell Roan or JoJo Siwa who both seem… well, let’s say, less informed, I’m just surprised at the lack of understanding. 

I think part of it is that she struggled for years trying to « make it » and it finally worked when she started hypersexualising herself. So now she thinks she’s found her lane and doubles down for fear of losing it all. Who knows.

Jun 28 2025, 12:42 PM
#16
Quote:Like, what did they think the reaction was going to be like for the original cover? It definitely drew a lot of publicity, was that the goal?

I'm going to guess so, and they knew it'd be the ideal sort of controversy where libfems would have their back with "no sl*t/kinkshaming!" bullshit. So they knew they could play both sides. tbh I'm a bit surprised there's been quite so much controvery considering just how objectified women in pop music are as a matter of course. I guess fetishising straight up wifebeating is a bit too on the nose?

Quote:So then was the new album cover an attempt to get people to feel okay buying the album? And then who the hell had the idea for the tweet that basically suggests it sucks and was made for stuckup religious prudes?

It might've been a genuine alternate cover they had in the backlog that was then reused for the tweet. Or maybe it's a cover for the more public PG spaces but then in the background they can excuse it with "Yeah the religious prudes are forcing us into it, we'd never sell out our horny patriarchal vision like that for real". I figure if it was made specifically for the tweet they at least would've dressed her as a nun or sth.

Quote:I'm curious who is calling the shots—what does Sabrina want to do with her image versus what does the label want. How much of what we see is what the artist wants versus what the studio wants.

I imagine it's mainly that they are guided by their creative teams, since these women are selected not for any sort of creative vision but mainly for their appearance and feminine mannerisms among thousands of other women just like them, all competing for fame and dreaming about doing precisely this since childhood. She probably mainly yay-or-nay's other people's ideas and gives suggestions but I doubt she's fully involved as an artist. She might try to cope by implying that she's doing it "ironically" (which tends to feed into the idea that women don't personally get anything out of dressing like strippers for men [no shit], but are doing it out of some esoteric feeling of PoWeR oVeR MeN, which can also be used to appeal to the Madonna-wh*re dichotomy - you're not a wh*re if you're just teasing men) but I doubt she actively wishes to rock the boat or push back on anything the record label suggests - she'd have been filtered out long ago if she had even an inkling of self-doubt and boundaries.

I find most of these women try to escape this discomfort and feel a sense of control by "owning it", along with a heavy dose of sex-positive libfem CoolAid, and that's how they cope. They see other women as stuckup prudes and the men as harmless little buffoons, except when they're not, but those men are surely exceptions even if you're surrounded by them everywhere. And then some kind of scandal breaks out about how, shock gasp, these horny men getting women to do sexually degrading things to get their rocks off were actually not respecting her, everyone acts surprised, and then next week we're already back to gaslighting women that the degrading misogynistic beauty industries controlled by men are all in good fun.
Edited Jun 28 2025, 12:52 PM by YesYourNigel.
YesYourNigel
Jun 28 2025, 12:42 PM #16

Quote:Like, what did they think the reaction was going to be like for the original cover? It definitely drew a lot of publicity, was that the goal?

I'm going to guess so, and they knew it'd be the ideal sort of controversy where libfems would have their back with "no sl*t/kinkshaming!" bullshit. So they knew they could play both sides. tbh I'm a bit surprised there's been quite so much controvery considering just how objectified women in pop music are as a matter of course. I guess fetishising straight up wifebeating is a bit too on the nose?

Quote:So then was the new album cover an attempt to get people to feel okay buying the album? And then who the hell had the idea for the tweet that basically suggests it sucks and was made for stuckup religious prudes?

It might've been a genuine alternate cover they had in the backlog that was then reused for the tweet. Or maybe it's a cover for the more public PG spaces but then in the background they can excuse it with "Yeah the religious prudes are forcing us into it, we'd never sell out our horny patriarchal vision like that for real". I figure if it was made specifically for the tweet they at least would've dressed her as a nun or sth.

Quote:I'm curious who is calling the shots—what does Sabrina want to do with her image versus what does the label want. How much of what we see is what the artist wants versus what the studio wants.

I imagine it's mainly that they are guided by their creative teams, since these women are selected not for any sort of creative vision but mainly for their appearance and feminine mannerisms among thousands of other women just like them, all competing for fame and dreaming about doing precisely this since childhood. She probably mainly yay-or-nay's other people's ideas and gives suggestions but I doubt she's fully involved as an artist. She might try to cope by implying that she's doing it "ironically" (which tends to feed into the idea that women don't personally get anything out of dressing like strippers for men [no shit], but are doing it out of some esoteric feeling of PoWeR oVeR MeN, which can also be used to appeal to the Madonna-wh*re dichotomy - you're not a wh*re if you're just teasing men) but I doubt she actively wishes to rock the boat or push back on anything the record label suggests - she'd have been filtered out long ago if she had even an inkling of self-doubt and boundaries.

I find most of these women try to escape this discomfort and feel a sense of control by "owning it", along with a heavy dose of sex-positive libfem CoolAid, and that's how they cope. They see other women as stuckup prudes and the men as harmless little buffoons, except when they're not, but those men are surely exceptions even if you're surrounded by them everywhere. And then some kind of scandal breaks out about how, shock gasp, these horny men getting women to do sexually degrading things to get their rocks off were actually not respecting her, everyone acts surprised, and then next week we're already back to gaslighting women that the degrading misogynistic beauty industries controlled by men are all in good fun.

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