[Split] Efficacy of teaching English to Afghan women and girls
[Split] Efficacy of teaching English to Afghan women and girls
Aug 22 2025, 9:44 AM
(Aug 22 2025, 8:55 AM)Wrongtoy I never once called you a liar or an exaggerator. Can we just stop with the ad hominems.
Fact is the US is attempting to end TPS status for the small numbers of afghanis brought over. The British are beyond angry at the small number brought in the immediacy of the Kabul retreat. Where are the employer sponsors here? Or the full ride scholarships?
Fact is, fewer ppl want afghanis than think boys should be in girls sports. 8/10.
Fact is, most Afghani women aren’t getting out of Gilead anytime soon. And has it occurred to no one yet that it is to the Taliban’s advantage to incubate a class of Aunt Lydia’s? Might English language skills not be a part of that? I’m not saying it is or isn’t, but it is a possibility.
Most women in Afghanistan are realistically stuck when it comes to immigration into the West until at least 2028. This isn’t a ad hom, it is a factual statement.
What is your target audience at the moment? Those still in country or ex-pats? If you had to pick one, which would it be?
If you actually read what I said, I never wrote that you called me a liar or exaggerator. I said you were using lies and exaggerations to make a point. There's a big difference there. You misrepresented other people's statements. That is being very dishonest to further your point.
And yes, most Afghan women are stuck. No one denied that. But some can get out, many through university positions. It's very challenging and it doesn't always work out. But if often does. You can choose to ignore that. But perhaps leave the women alone who are trying to make a difference. Because these programs are working for many of the girls and women in them.
And you think some of these students are in a covert mission to spread the Taliban's ideology in the West by taking high school classes online, applying to universities, paying the visa fees, flights, et and then going through the dangerous process of leaving Afghanistan? Really? Perhaps consider that many women in Afghanistan do not agree with the Taliban, and have been ignored by the world as their government strips away their basic human rights.
You were saying earlier that 'a bit of English' won't help. Now it could be part of some plot?
Has it occurred to you that these girls and women are seeking a better life? They're not a class of Aunt Lydia's (wow, are you trying to be as insulting as possible?). They are girls and young women who are trying to continue their education in an oppressive society. And to add insult to injury, if they can get out, they often have to deal with ignorant people who don't understand who they are, they culture, and where they came from.....
Oh, and fact: there are fortunately organizations and communities that choose to rally around these women, and help them raise funds to travel, pay tuition, rent etc. I know of several in Canada, Ireland, the UK, and the US, though the ones in the US now have to contend with the racist ban that Trump enacted earlier this summer. These people want to help, and they are helping girls and women start new lives outside of Afghanistan.
Though I'm not sure why I'm even saying this. You don't seem to be arguing in good faith.
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Aug 22 2025, 9:44 AM #11(Aug 22 2025, 8:55 AM)Wrongtoy I never once called you a liar or an exaggerator. Can we just stop with the ad hominems.
Fact is the US is attempting to end TPS status for the small numbers of afghanis brought over. The British are beyond angry at the small number brought in the immediacy of the Kabul retreat. Where are the employer sponsors here? Or the full ride scholarships?
Fact is, fewer ppl want afghanis than think boys should be in girls sports. 8/10.
Fact is, most Afghani women aren’t getting out of Gilead anytime soon. And has it occurred to no one yet that it is to the Taliban’s advantage to incubate a class of Aunt Lydia’s? Might English language skills not be a part of that? I’m not saying it is or isn’t, but it is a possibility.
Most women in Afghanistan are realistically stuck when it comes to immigration into the West until at least 2028. This isn’t a ad hom, it is a factual statement.
What is your target audience at the moment? Those still in country or ex-pats? If you had to pick one, which would it be?
If you actually read what I said, I never wrote that you called me a liar or exaggerator. I said you were using lies and exaggerations to make a point. There's a big difference there. You misrepresented other people's statements. That is being very dishonest to further your point.
And yes, most Afghan women are stuck. No one denied that. But some can get out, many through university positions. It's very challenging and it doesn't always work out. But if often does. You can choose to ignore that. But perhaps leave the women alone who are trying to make a difference. Because these programs are working for many of the girls and women in them.
And you think some of these students are in a covert mission to spread the Taliban's ideology in the West by taking high school classes online, applying to universities, paying the visa fees, flights, et and then going through the dangerous process of leaving Afghanistan? Really? Perhaps consider that many women in Afghanistan do not agree with the Taliban, and have been ignored by the world as their government strips away their basic human rights.
You were saying earlier that 'a bit of English' won't help. Now it could be part of some plot?
Has it occurred to you that these girls and women are seeking a better life? They're not a class of Aunt Lydia's (wow, are you trying to be as insulting as possible?). They are girls and young women who are trying to continue their education in an oppressive society. And to add insult to injury, if they can get out, they often have to deal with ignorant people who don't understand who they are, they culture, and where they came from.....
Oh, and fact: there are fortunately organizations and communities that choose to rally around these women, and help them raise funds to travel, pay tuition, rent etc. I know of several in Canada, Ireland, the UK, and the US, though the ones in the US now have to contend with the racist ban that Trump enacted earlier this summer. These people want to help, and they are helping girls and women start new lives outside of Afghanistan.
Though I'm not sure why I'm even saying this. You don't seem to be arguing in good faith.
