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Aug 19 2025, 9:17 PM
#21
I’m sorry, I’m very confused by how the tsliban is actually allowing females to participate online given their restrictions on real life participation. And English I would think would not be allowed at all.

In fact English proficiency is saving no one in Gaza. You think it will with the tsliban?
Wrongtoy
Aug 19 2025, 9:17 PM #21

I’m sorry, I’m very confused by how the tsliban is actually allowing females to participate online given their restrictions on real life participation. And English I would think would not be allowed at all.

In fact English proficiency is saving no one in Gaza. You think it will with the tsliban?

Yesterday, 9:03 AM
#22
(Aug 19 2025, 9:17 PM)Wrongtoy I’m sorry, I’m very confused by how the tsliban is actually allowing females to participate online given their restrictions on real life participation. And English I would think would not be allowed at all.

In fact English proficiency is saving no one in Gaza. You think it will with the tsliban?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this comment seems unnecessarily combative. These programs seek to help girls and women develop skills that they can use to continue their education, start careers etc, most likely outside of Afghanistan. It is an immense undertaking for the students, as they are laying the groundwork to support themselves outside of their home country and away from family. That's the goal. 

The situation is Gaza is quite different and the challenges faced by the girls and women there are different.
ExitStageLeft
Yesterday, 9:03 AM #22

(Aug 19 2025, 9:17 PM)Wrongtoy I’m sorry, I’m very confused by how the tsliban is actually allowing females to participate online given their restrictions on real life participation. And English I would think would not be allowed at all.

In fact English proficiency is saving no one in Gaza. You think it will with the tsliban?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this comment seems unnecessarily combative. These programs seek to help girls and women develop skills that they can use to continue their education, start careers etc, most likely outside of Afghanistan. It is an immense undertaking for the students, as they are laying the groundwork to support themselves outside of their home country and away from family. That's the goal. 

The situation is Gaza is quite different and the challenges faced by the girls and women there are different.

Yesterday, 11:43 PM
#23
(Yesterday, 9:03 AM)ExitStageLeft
(Aug 19 2025, 9:17 PM)Wrongtoy I’m sorry, I’m very confused by how the tsliban is actually allowing females to participate online given their restrictions on real life participation. And English I would think would not be allowed at all.

In fact English proficiency is saving no one in Gaza. You think it will with the tsliban?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this comment seems unnecessarily combative. These programs seek to help girls and women develop skills that they can use to continue their education, start careers etc, most likely outside of Afghanistan. It is an immense undertaking for the students, as they are laying the groundwork to support themselves outside of their home country and away from family. That's the goal. 

The situation is Gaza is quite different and the challenges faced by the girls and women there are different.

Being combative wasn’t my intent. But seriously the taliban is inflicting restrictions on women’s  speech and children’s learning in their native language of Pashtun and you think they’re going to be a tiny bit ok with anyone especially women speaking English?
Wrongtoy
Yesterday, 11:43 PM #23

(Yesterday, 9:03 AM)ExitStageLeft
(Aug 19 2025, 9:17 PM)Wrongtoy I’m sorry, I’m very confused by how the tsliban is actually allowing females to participate online given their restrictions on real life participation. And English I would think would not be allowed at all.

In fact English proficiency is saving no one in Gaza. You think it will with the tsliban?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this comment seems unnecessarily combative. These programs seek to help girls and women develop skills that they can use to continue their education, start careers etc, most likely outside of Afghanistan. It is an immense undertaking for the students, as they are laying the groundwork to support themselves outside of their home country and away from family. That's the goal. 

The situation is Gaza is quite different and the challenges faced by the girls and women there are different.

Being combative wasn’t my intent. But seriously the taliban is inflicting restrictions on women’s  speech and children’s learning in their native language of Pashtun and you think they’re going to be a tiny bit ok with anyone especially women speaking English?

10 hours ago
#24
(Yesterday, 11:43 PM)Wrongtoy
(Yesterday, 9:03 AM)ExitStageLeft
(Aug 19 2025, 9:17 PM)Wrongtoy I’m sorry, I’m very confused by how the tsliban is actually allowing females to participate online given their restrictions on real life participation. And English I would think would not be allowed at all.

In fact English proficiency is saving no one in Gaza. You think it will with the tsliban?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this comment seems unnecessarily combative. These programs seek to help girls and women develop skills that they can use to continue their education, start careers etc, most likely outside of Afghanistan. It is an immense undertaking for the students, as they are laying the groundwork to support themselves outside of their home country and away from family. That's the goal. 

The situation is Gaza is quite different and the challenges faced by the girls and women there are different.

Being combative wasn’t my intent. But seriously the taliban is inflicting restrictions on women’s  speech and children’s learning in their native language of Pashtun and you think they’re going to be a tiny bit ok with anyone especially women speaking English?

Again, these women are attempting to leave the country. As I said before, these programs help them develop skills to apply to and be accepted by universities (outside of Afghanistan), jobs, visas etc. 

The rest of the world may have forgotten them, but the people (mostly women) in these programs haven't. 

You also haven't addressed why you brought up Gaza, when Palestinians are facing very different challenges. That also seemed very unnecessary , when this thread is specifically about helping girls and women in Afghanistan.
ExitStageLeft
10 hours ago #24

(Yesterday, 11:43 PM)Wrongtoy
(Yesterday, 9:03 AM)ExitStageLeft
(Aug 19 2025, 9:17 PM)Wrongtoy I’m sorry, I’m very confused by how the tsliban is actually allowing females to participate online given their restrictions on real life participation. And English I would think would not be allowed at all.

In fact English proficiency is saving no one in Gaza. You think it will with the tsliban?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this comment seems unnecessarily combative. These programs seek to help girls and women develop skills that they can use to continue their education, start careers etc, most likely outside of Afghanistan. It is an immense undertaking for the students, as they are laying the groundwork to support themselves outside of their home country and away from family. That's the goal. 

The situation is Gaza is quite different and the challenges faced by the girls and women there are different.

Being combative wasn’t my intent. But seriously the taliban is inflicting restrictions on women’s  speech and children’s learning in their native language of Pashtun and you think they’re going to be a tiny bit ok with anyone especially women speaking English?

Again, these women are attempting to leave the country. As I said before, these programs help them develop skills to apply to and be accepted by universities (outside of Afghanistan), jobs, visas etc. 

The rest of the world may have forgotten them, but the people (mostly women) in these programs haven't. 

You also haven't addressed why you brought up Gaza, when Palestinians are facing very different challenges. That also seemed very unnecessary , when this thread is specifically about helping girls and women in Afghanistan.

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(Aug 19 2025, 9:17 PM)Wrongtoy I’m sorry, I’m very confused by how the tsliban is actually allowing females to participate online given their restrictions on real life participation. And English I would think would not be allowed at all.

I found this from an interview with a mentor that explains how they are able to do this program:

A Mentor Interview with Victory Afghanistan, Michelle Skowbo Question: There’s been discussion in the media about the risks female students take to attend secondary school. Can you speak to the safety and legal concerns around these students, their families, and/or instructors?

Answer: All girls and women have been banned above sixth grade from going to school, university, or work. Now, the reason we started Victory Afghanistan was to make online education accessible to them, to youth in Afghanistan, focusing on girls and women. However, the political system in Afghanistan has not made any public announcements on online education yet.

One of the reasons they have limited women from going to school is because they believe women should not be leaving their homes and that they belong in the house: That’s their ideology. And based on that, they have limited these women. However, because there have been no public announcements that you cannot take online classes, there hasn’t been a risk of, let’s say, the Internet being cut. On the family side, most of these students have great support from their parents and their siblings if they’re attending classes, and they’re very supportive of them.

Again, because the students have no jobs, they cannot buy a smartphone or pay for the Internet every month. It might not be the case for 100% of all the students, but for most of them, their family is supporting them.

So legally, there haven't been any challenges with these online classes. The Victory Afghanistan team has not received any threats for offering these classes to women in Afghanistan, but we never know if or when they’re going to announce that women are also banned from learning remotely from their homes.

Via: https://catesol.org/blog/catesol-blog/2024-08-11-mentor-interview-victory-afghanistan

They're working with what they have.

Like ExitStageLeft mentions, please don't derail this thread that encourages supporting women in extremely religiously repressive misogynistic countries from being able to access education in any means they can. The "English proficiency is saving no one in Gaza" line is defeatist and unnecessary. If you want to discuss Gaza, please go make a new thread or post in an already existing relevant thread.

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2 hours ago #25

(Aug 19 2025, 9:17 PM)Wrongtoy I’m sorry, I’m very confused by how the tsliban is actually allowing females to participate online given their restrictions on real life participation. And English I would think would not be allowed at all.

I found this from an interview with a mentor that explains how they are able to do this program:

A Mentor Interview with Victory Afghanistan, Michelle Skowbo Question: There’s been discussion in the media about the risks female students take to attend secondary school. Can you speak to the safety and legal concerns around these students, their families, and/or instructors?

Answer: All girls and women have been banned above sixth grade from going to school, university, or work. Now, the reason we started Victory Afghanistan was to make online education accessible to them, to youth in Afghanistan, focusing on girls and women. However, the political system in Afghanistan has not made any public announcements on online education yet.

One of the reasons they have limited women from going to school is because they believe women should not be leaving their homes and that they belong in the house: That’s their ideology. And based on that, they have limited these women. However, because there have been no public announcements that you cannot take online classes, there hasn’t been a risk of, let’s say, the Internet being cut. On the family side, most of these students have great support from their parents and their siblings if they’re attending classes, and they’re very supportive of them.

Again, because the students have no jobs, they cannot buy a smartphone or pay for the Internet every month. It might not be the case for 100% of all the students, but for most of them, their family is supporting them.

So legally, there haven't been any challenges with these online classes. The Victory Afghanistan team has not received any threats for offering these classes to women in Afghanistan, but we never know if or when they’re going to announce that women are also banned from learning remotely from their homes.

Via: https://catesol.org/blog/catesol-blog/2024-08-11-mentor-interview-victory-afghanistan

They're working with what they have.

Like ExitStageLeft mentions, please don't derail this thread that encourages supporting women in extremely religiously repressive misogynistic countries from being able to access education in any means they can. The "English proficiency is saving no one in Gaza" line is defeatist and unnecessary. If you want to discuss Gaza, please go make a new thread or post in an already existing relevant thread.


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1 hour ago
#26
I did a thread relating to Afghan women in Vexxed recently. In “helping” these women, we need to examine whether it’s actually help.

English is the language of their most recent enemy. So any tolerance of learning it among uppity women would necessarily endanger them more than men.

As to “dreams” of escaping Afghanistan to the west, those that have haven’t all exactly been “free the burka.” Said women in Europe obediently wearing niquab suggest to male believers that anyone not in one is fair game.
Wrongtoy
1 hour ago #26

I did a thread relating to Afghan women in Vexxed recently. In “helping” these women, we need to examine whether it’s actually help.

English is the language of their most recent enemy. So any tolerance of learning it among uppity women would necessarily endanger them more than men.

As to “dreams” of escaping Afghanistan to the west, those that have haven’t all exactly been “free the burka.” Said women in Europe obediently wearing niquab suggest to male believers that anyone not in one is fair game.

48 minutes ago
#27
(1 hour ago)Wrongtoy I did a thread relating to Afghan women in Vexxed recently. In “helping” these women, we need to examine whether it’s actually help.

English is the language of their most recent enemy. So any tolerance of learning it among uppity women would necessarily endanger them more than men.

As to “dreams” of escaping Afghanistan to the west, those that have haven’t all exactly been “free the burka.” Said women in Europe obediently wearing niquab suggest to male believers that anyone not in one is fair game.

What a negative, and quite frankly, insulting view of the girls and women in these programs. If you cared to learn more about them, you would find that many of the students are not, as you put it, "obediently wearing niquab." 

How many Afghan refugees have you met? I know several, and they are all intelligent, passionate young women who are already making a difference in their new homes. What are you really trying to say here? 

Helping even one woman get out of Afghanistan is a success. This program helps them do that.
ExitStageLeft
48 minutes ago #27

(1 hour ago)Wrongtoy I did a thread relating to Afghan women in Vexxed recently. In “helping” these women, we need to examine whether it’s actually help.

English is the language of their most recent enemy. So any tolerance of learning it among uppity women would necessarily endanger them more than men.

As to “dreams” of escaping Afghanistan to the west, those that have haven’t all exactly been “free the burka.” Said women in Europe obediently wearing niquab suggest to male believers that anyone not in one is fair game.

What a negative, and quite frankly, insulting view of the girls and women in these programs. If you cared to learn more about them, you would find that many of the students are not, as you put it, "obediently wearing niquab." 

How many Afghan refugees have you met? I know several, and they are all intelligent, passionate young women who are already making a difference in their new homes. What are you really trying to say here? 

Helping even one woman get out of Afghanistan is a success. This program helps them do that.

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