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nordicmodelnow
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May 5 2025, 11:44 PM
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“The next time you’re in a crowded place – a pub perhaps or a train coming home from work – you might want to imagine what it would be like to have to have some form of sexual intimacy with every single man you can see. Oral sex? A hand job? ‘Penis in vagina’ sex? What about anal?
 
One man after another after another. Each one expecting, demanding even, that you act pleased to see him, thrilled at the sight of his genitals, at his smell, his standard of hygiene, his urgent penetration of your private cavities.
 
If you reveal, even momentarily, revulsion or fear or hilarity or boredom, he is likely to get shirty. To complain to your “manager” – if you have one – or leave a bad review if you don’t. To knock you about even. Because this is, of course, an exercise in trying to understand just a little of the realities of prostitution or what is now often known as “full-service sex work”.
 
Can you do this exercise and then say – honestly – that this is no different from any other job? ...”
 
Read more: https://nordicmodelnow.org/2023/03/14/the-next-time-youre-in-a-crowded-place-imagine/
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May 5 2025, 11:44 PM #1

“The next time you’re in a crowded place – a pub perhaps or a train coming home from work – you might want to imagine what it would be like to have to have some form of sexual intimacy with every single man you can see. Oral sex? A hand job? ‘Penis in vagina’ sex? What about anal?
 
One man after another after another. Each one expecting, demanding even, that you act pleased to see him, thrilled at the sight of his genitals, at his smell, his standard of hygiene, his urgent penetration of your private cavities.
 
If you reveal, even momentarily, revulsion or fear or hilarity or boredom, he is likely to get shirty. To complain to your “manager” – if you have one – or leave a bad review if you don’t. To knock you about even. Because this is, of course, an exercise in trying to understand just a little of the realities of prostitution or what is now often known as “full-service sex work”.
 
Can you do this exercise and then say – honestly – that this is no different from any other job? ...”
 
Read more: https://nordicmodelnow.org/2023/03/14/the-next-time-youre-in-a-crowded-place-imagine/

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May 8 2025, 12:55 PM
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I do think most women who have not been prostituted have a hard time imagining not being able to turn down any man or any request. They are trying to maintain barriers between sex and rape that have all the strength of spiderwebs. If she chooses it, it’s sex, but if she wouldn’t choose it, it’s rape, but who would ever choose it unless she were hungry, crazy, trained like an animal, so can it be chosen at all…? And what if the only reason women who have a choice have one in the first place is because of the exploitation of women choosing what no one would choose? That is to say, if the men who rape prostituted women didn’t have prostituted women to rape, would they rape other women? Can any woman choose to have sex with a rapist? Can you give what would have been stolen anyway? The lot of the prostituted woman is a spotlight on women’s condition generally but we are taught to either revile or glorify her without ever really seeing her. Thanks for sharing.
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May 8 2025, 12:55 PM #2

I do think most women who have not been prostituted have a hard time imagining not being able to turn down any man or any request. They are trying to maintain barriers between sex and rape that have all the strength of spiderwebs. If she chooses it, it’s sex, but if she wouldn’t choose it, it’s rape, but who would ever choose it unless she were hungry, crazy, trained like an animal, so can it be chosen at all…? And what if the only reason women who have a choice have one in the first place is because of the exploitation of women choosing what no one would choose? That is to say, if the men who rape prostituted women didn’t have prostituted women to rape, would they rape other women? Can any woman choose to have sex with a rapist? Can you give what would have been stolen anyway? The lot of the prostituted woman is a spotlight on women’s condition generally but we are taught to either revile or glorify her without ever really seeing her. Thanks for sharing.

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May 9 2025, 8:54 AM
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(May 8 2025, 12:55 PM)OffMyTit I do think most women who have not been prostituted have a hard time imagining not being able to turn down any man or any request. They are trying to maintain barriers between sex and rape that have all the strength of spiderwebs. If she chooses it, it’s sex, but if she wouldn’t choose it, it’s rape, but who would ever choose it unless she were hungry, crazy, trained like an animal,  so can it be chosen at all…?
I think most women do relate to how unpleasant sex with men is, any man, any way he likes, and the negative effects of being pressured and pestered and forced into sex, given how many of them have lived it. I guess the media likes to portray johns as poor lonely little babies who just want company and mutually satisfying sex, instead of the depraved violently misogynistic men who know what they're asking for is dangerous, disgusting and degrading, so they need to wiggle money in front of desperate starving women in order to get it. But overall, even your average straight relationship is more likely than not have an element of coercion or at the very least onesidedness as the man tries to talk the woman into performing some porn act that men have invented for the pleasure of other men and that relies on sexualising male supremacist ideas.

It's not that women don't understand how fundamentally miserable prostitution is, but rather that they are convinced that some women just don't find sex a big deal and those women end up in prostitution, much like how some people who don't mind heights go to work as windowcleaners on skyscrapers. It's also similar to how we're convinced that some women think it's great when their boss creeps on them because they can climb the corporate ladder, or how some women are radical militant feminazis working to murder all men, and we should all keep apologising for their existence (the constant and actually real stream of male supremacist murderers, on the other hand, is just a few bad apples).

It's all pure fabrication and myths that have nothing to do with any kind of observable reality and can only exist if you buy into the liberal notion that "people come in all shapes and sizes" where even basic self-interests and self-preservation are irrelevant compared to some vague appeal to "differences" and "human variety", and among these differences are women who just love being prostituted. Sure we never see them, and I can't think of a single one who would want this for herself, but we're assured they're everywhere around us and are maintaining this massive whole sex industry, kinda like how the whole meat industry is maintained by small-scale farmers who all make sure their animals live happy and eat well.
Edited May 9 2025, 9:49 AM by YesYourNigel.
I refuse to debate two obvious facts: 1. the patriarchy exists 2. and that's a bad thing
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May 9 2025, 8:54 AM #3

(May 8 2025, 12:55 PM)OffMyTit I do think most women who have not been prostituted have a hard time imagining not being able to turn down any man or any request. They are trying to maintain barriers between sex and rape that have all the strength of spiderwebs. If she chooses it, it’s sex, but if she wouldn’t choose it, it’s rape, but who would ever choose it unless she were hungry, crazy, trained like an animal,  so can it be chosen at all…?
I think most women do relate to how unpleasant sex with men is, any man, any way he likes, and the negative effects of being pressured and pestered and forced into sex, given how many of them have lived it. I guess the media likes to portray johns as poor lonely little babies who just want company and mutually satisfying sex, instead of the depraved violently misogynistic men who know what they're asking for is dangerous, disgusting and degrading, so they need to wiggle money in front of desperate starving women in order to get it. But overall, even your average straight relationship is more likely than not have an element of coercion or at the very least onesidedness as the man tries to talk the woman into performing some porn act that men have invented for the pleasure of other men and that relies on sexualising male supremacist ideas.

It's not that women don't understand how fundamentally miserable prostitution is, but rather that they are convinced that some women just don't find sex a big deal and those women end up in prostitution, much like how some people who don't mind heights go to work as windowcleaners on skyscrapers. It's also similar to how we're convinced that some women think it's great when their boss creeps on them because they can climb the corporate ladder, or how some women are radical militant feminazis working to murder all men, and we should all keep apologising for their existence (the constant and actually real stream of male supremacist murderers, on the other hand, is just a few bad apples).

It's all pure fabrication and myths that have nothing to do with any kind of observable reality and can only exist if you buy into the liberal notion that "people come in all shapes and sizes" where even basic self-interests and self-preservation are irrelevant compared to some vague appeal to "differences" and "human variety", and among these differences are women who just love being prostituted. Sure we never see them, and I can't think of a single one who would want this for herself, but we're assured they're everywhere around us and are maintaining this massive whole sex industry, kinda like how the whole meat industry is maintained by small-scale farmers who all make sure their animals live happy and eat well.

I refuse to debate two obvious facts: 1. the patriarchy exists 2. and that's a bad thing

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May 10 2025, 6:31 PM
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You know, I’m not sure most women do relate to how unpleasant sex with men is. If they did, feminist encouragement not to do it wouldn’t be opposed so vociferously as anti-woman since “women like sex too.” People wouldn’t automatically jump to say, “but how will the species continue???” as if we don’t already know how to introduce sperm to womb with turkey basters or by just wiping some sperm on the vulva, from whence it will still make its way into the fallopian tubes. I do think you’re right that people believe in some kind of wh*re-fairy who loves it more than most, but just about all the women I talk to about these things don’t plan on forgoing sex with men.
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May 10 2025, 6:31 PM #4

You know, I’m not sure most women do relate to how unpleasant sex with men is. If they did, feminist encouragement not to do it wouldn’t be opposed so vociferously as anti-woman since “women like sex too.” People wouldn’t automatically jump to say, “but how will the species continue???” as if we don’t already know how to introduce sperm to womb with turkey basters or by just wiping some sperm on the vulva, from whence it will still make its way into the fallopian tubes. I do think you’re right that people believe in some kind of wh*re-fairy who loves it more than most, but just about all the women I talk to about these things don’t plan on forgoing sex with men.

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May 10 2025, 9:05 PM
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(May 10 2025, 6:31 PM)OffMyTit You know, I’m not sure most women do relate to how unpleasant sex with men is. If they did, feminist encouragement not to do it wouldn’t be opposed so vociferously as anti-woman since “women like sex too.”
Most women are mocked by men for being "prudes" or it's just accepted that they'll naturally be offput by sex. The rates of orgasm in straight relationships are absolutely miserable, and the vast majority of women have many, many experiences with creepy, rapey men, are fully aware of how horrific and dangerous sex with them would be, and severely limit their freedoms and take significant safety measures to avoid the possibility. In fact, traditional ideas of courting and pursuit rely on the man offsetting this danger and misery by presenting himself as desirable in decidedly non-sexual ways. Porn is also widely recognised as offputting to women, with many insults and shaming for "close-mindedness", "prudeishness" and "manhating" targeted at these women. 

This is not some kind of sex-independent class issue that any women are shielded against, and that includes every woman acting stupid and being in denial over this reality. Even when women lie about loving the patriarchy, you can see them going out of their way to avoid it, at least as far as is socially acceptable. So, rejecting all men is sexism and manhating, but avoiding going out on your own or being alone with them is fine because that fits well with our Madonna-wh*re dichotomy. And ofc, you can see the extent of the damage and misery even if they themselves don't - just because anti-vaxxers deny that they're sick doesn't make it true.

Quote:People wouldn’t automatically jump to say, “but how will the species continue???”
That has little to do with sexual pleasure. In fact, pregnancy combined with evopsych is constantly used to normalise and justify why men should be entitled to one-sided sexual pleasure, whereas women are disinterested in it (women just want babies, after all).

Quote:I do think you’re right that people believe in some kind of wh*re-fairy who loves it more than most, but just about all the women I talk to about these things don’t plan on forgoing sex with men.
lmao at "wh*re-fairy"

There's a massive difference between being offput by sex and foregoing all sex. In a patriarchal society like ours, the only way to enjoy sex is if you Stockholm-syndrome yourself into fetishising male violence, and then convince yourself it's all play-pretend and just a game. A lot of women have libidos and don't want to forego all sex (I mean just look at the amount of them who self-describe as asexual while being nothing of the sort), and they are also so used to centering men and revolving their sexuality around male norms that they don't really think about any alternatives. Like anything else in our society, men set and define the standard, and women are expected to just go along or be called broken, weird and abnormal. Because this is the only way people think you can have sex, it's combined whith liberal feminist desperation to portray it as empowering, so you end up with "You're saying women aren't allowed to have sex?!" (in the lower circle of hell is the notion that women aren't allowed to have sex if prostitution is banned)
Edited Yesterday, 1:50 PM by YesYourNigel.
I refuse to debate two obvious facts: 1. the patriarchy exists 2. and that's a bad thing
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May 10 2025, 9:05 PM #5

(May 10 2025, 6:31 PM)OffMyTit You know, I’m not sure most women do relate to how unpleasant sex with men is. If they did, feminist encouragement not to do it wouldn’t be opposed so vociferously as anti-woman since “women like sex too.”
Most women are mocked by men for being "prudes" or it's just accepted that they'll naturally be offput by sex. The rates of orgasm in straight relationships are absolutely miserable, and the vast majority of women have many, many experiences with creepy, rapey men, are fully aware of how horrific and dangerous sex with them would be, and severely limit their freedoms and take significant safety measures to avoid the possibility. In fact, traditional ideas of courting and pursuit rely on the man offsetting this danger and misery by presenting himself as desirable in decidedly non-sexual ways. Porn is also widely recognised as offputting to women, with many insults and shaming for "close-mindedness", "prudeishness" and "manhating" targeted at these women. 

This is not some kind of sex-independent class issue that any women are shielded against, and that includes every woman acting stupid and being in denial over this reality. Even when women lie about loving the patriarchy, you can see them going out of their way to avoid it, at least as far as is socially acceptable. So, rejecting all men is sexism and manhating, but avoiding going out on your own or being alone with them is fine because that fits well with our Madonna-wh*re dichotomy. And ofc, you can see the extent of the damage and misery even if they themselves don't - just because anti-vaxxers deny that they're sick doesn't make it true.

Quote:People wouldn’t automatically jump to say, “but how will the species continue???”
That has little to do with sexual pleasure. In fact, pregnancy combined with evopsych is constantly used to normalise and justify why men should be entitled to one-sided sexual pleasure, whereas women are disinterested in it (women just want babies, after all).

Quote:I do think you’re right that people believe in some kind of wh*re-fairy who loves it more than most, but just about all the women I talk to about these things don’t plan on forgoing sex with men.
lmao at "wh*re-fairy"

There's a massive difference between being offput by sex and foregoing all sex. In a patriarchal society like ours, the only way to enjoy sex is if you Stockholm-syndrome yourself into fetishising male violence, and then convince yourself it's all play-pretend and just a game. A lot of women have libidos and don't want to forego all sex (I mean just look at the amount of them who self-describe as asexual while being nothing of the sort), and they are also so used to centering men and revolving their sexuality around male norms that they don't really think about any alternatives. Like anything else in our society, men set and define the standard, and women are expected to just go along or be called broken, weird and abnormal. Because this is the only way people think you can have sex, it's combined whith liberal feminist desperation to portray it as empowering, so you end up with "You're saying women aren't allowed to have sex?!" (in the lower circle of hell is the notion that women aren't allowed to have sex if prostitution is banned)

I refuse to debate two obvious facts: 1. the patriarchy exists 2. and that's a bad thing

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