University of Pennsylvania to block male athletes from female sports teams and erase records set by swimmer Lia Thomas

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Jul 7 2025, 7:13 AM

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(Jul 7 2025, 3:53 AM)Impress Polly I just saw the OP, was fine with it and briefly said so on a fringe message board on the internet, good goddess!

No, you made a complaint directly addressing my comment noting the fact that conservatives are poisoning the well of women's rights. Which I don't have a problem with as part of a larger discussion of feminist/progressive attitudes that go beyond just me as an individual (lord knows nothing gets done if we need to hugbox and never call out any potentially harmful larger implications of other women's comments), but at least be honest with what happened. I really don't get why people reply to others and then act like victims when that person takes them up on that. If you don't want to debate, don't reply to people or comment on their statements? No-one's forcing you, and being expected to back up what you're saying on an internet forum that is by definition dedicated to debate isn't harassment.

Quote:Sorry that I'm apparently complicit in DOGE just because I'm not a thinly-veiled trans activist and soy boy apologist.

You are very fixated on this simplistic, partisan idea of either being complicit in DOGE or wanting men to keep their records in female sports. I've been giving extensive explanations of what I mean while you've mostly been making short replies in the vein of "SO YOU'RE CALLING ME A MAGA NUT?!!1" that don't address anything I say. I really couldn't care less about your ideological purity as one single individual, my concern is with the wider ideological trends and how that affects women as a class and you seem to be taking it personally that this doesn't allow you to shove your head in the sand and act as if this is an all-around good development for women.

Hell, you yourself even noted that this will be reversed the second Republicans lose control! So literally this one sliver of protection in women's sports is predicated on keeping Republican theocratic fascists in power alongside the rest of their package of misogynistic policies? No, thank you. Our goal is to have women's rights secured alongside other women's rights, not just to have one glitch in Handmaid's Tale.

Edited Jul 7 2025, 7:21 AM by YesYourNigel.

I refuse to debate two obvious facts: 1. the patriarchy exists 2. and that's a bad thing

YesYourNigel

Jul 7 2025, 7:13 AM #11

(Jul 7 2025, 3:53 AM)Impress Polly I just saw the OP, was fine with it and briefly said so on a fringe message board on the internet, good goddess!

Quote:Sorry that I'm apparently complicit in DOGE just because I'm not a thinly-veiled trans activist and soy boy apologist.

I refuse to debate two obvious facts: 1. the patriarchy exists 2. and that's a bad thing

OffMyTit

Jul 7 2025, 12:13 PM

#12

(Jul 7 2025, 7:13 AM)YesYourNigel
(Jul 7 2025, 3:53 AM)Impress Polly I just saw the OP, was fine with it and briefly said so on a fringe message board on the internet, good goddess!
No, you made a complaint directly addressing my comment noting the fact that conservatives are poisoning the well of women's rights. Which I don't have a problem with as part of a larger discussion of feminist/progressive attitudes that go beyond just me as an individual (lord knows nothing gets done if we need to hugbox and never call out any potentially harmful larger implications of other women's comments), but at least be honest with what happened. I really don't get why people reply to others and then act like victims when that person takes them up on that. If you don't want to debate, don't reply to people or comment on their statements? No-one's forcing you, and being expected to back up what you're saying on an internet forum that is by definition dedicated to debate isn't harassment.

Quote:Sorry that I'm apparently complicit in DOGE just because I'm not a thinly-veiled trans activist and soy boy apologist.

You are very fixated on this simplistic, partisan idea of either being complicit in DOGE or wanting men to keep their records in female sports. I've been giving extensive explanations of what I mean while you've mostly been making short replies in the vein of "SO YOU'RE CALLING ME A MAGA NUT?!!1" that don't address anything I say. I really couldn't care less about your ideological purity as one single individual, my concern is with the wider ideological trends and how that affects women as a class and you seem to be taking it personally that this doesn't allow you to shove your head in the sand and act as if this is an all-around good development for women.

Hell, you yourself even noted that this will be reversed the second Republicans lose control! So literally this one sliver of protection in women's sports is predicated on keeping Republican theocratic fascists in power alongside the rest of their package of misogynistic policies? No, thank you. Our goal is to have women's rights secured alongside other women's rights, not just to have one glitch in Handmaid's Tale.

What is the democratic strategy to counter the republican one you’ve laid out that isn’t telling women “you better not be happy about the trans stuff being even temporarily halted or you’ll be sorry”?

OffMyTit

Jul 7 2025, 12:13 PM #12

(Jul 7 2025, 7:13 AM)YesYourNigel
(Jul 7 2025, 3:53 AM)Impress Polly I just saw the OP, was fine with it and briefly said so on a fringe message board on the internet, good goddess!
No, you made a complaint directly addressing my comment noting the fact that conservatives are poisoning the well of women's rights. Which I don't have a problem with as part of a larger discussion of feminist/progressive attitudes that go beyond just me as an individual (lord knows nothing gets done if we need to hugbox and never call out any potentially harmful larger implications of other women's comments), but at least be honest with what happened. I really don't get why people reply to others and then act like victims when that person takes them up on that. If you don't want to debate, don't reply to people or comment on their statements? No-one's forcing you, and being expected to back up what you're saying on an internet forum that is by definition dedicated to debate isn't harassment.

Quote:Sorry that I'm apparently complicit in DOGE just because I'm not a thinly-veiled trans activist and soy boy apologist.

You are very fixated on this simplistic, partisan idea of either being complicit in DOGE or wanting men to keep their records in female sports. I've been giving extensive explanations of what I mean while you've mostly been making short replies in the vein of "SO YOU'RE CALLING ME A MAGA NUT?!!1" that don't address anything I say. I really couldn't care less about your ideological purity as one single individual, my concern is with the wider ideological trends and how that affects women as a class and you seem to be taking it personally that this doesn't allow you to shove your head in the sand and act as if this is an all-around good development for women.

Hell, you yourself even noted that this will be reversed the second Republicans lose control! So literally this one sliver of protection in women's sports is predicated on keeping Republican theocratic fascists in power alongside the rest of their package of misogynistic policies? No, thank you. Our goal is to have women's rights secured alongside other women's rights, not just to have one glitch in Handmaid's Tale.

YesYourNigel

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Jul 11 2025, 7:39 AM

#13

Radical feminists can't afford to have blinders on in regards to any farther reaching consequences the way that other groups can, especially after Gender Critical got overtaken by conservaturds by force-teaming manipulation tactics and pressuring feminists to keep their mouths shut with the narratives of "don't eat your own", "don't be DiViSiVe" and shifting the idea of being politically homeless to "actually let's give Republicans a chance, too"

YesYourNigel

Jul 11 2025, 7:39 AM #13

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Jul 11 2025, 11:15 AM

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(Jul 11 2025, 7:39 AM)YesYourNigel Radical feminists can't afford to have blinders on in regards to any farther reaching consequences the way that other groups can, especially after Gender Critical got overtaken by conservaturds by force-teaming manipulation tactics and pressuring feminists to keep their mouths shut with the narratives of "don't eat your own", "don't be DiViSiVe" and shifting the idea of being politically homeless to "actually let's give Republicans a chance, too"

Reminds me of Noray's GC Purity Politics article.

The “shifting the idea of being politically homeless to "actually let's give Republicans a chance, too"” is an interesting way to put it. It makes sense—the Republican party is effective at using salesman tactics. If they can "get a sale" (get a Republican vote) they'll do whatever it takes. (This reminds me about how I was talking about wanting to make a series of posts about how the right wing courts radical feminist leaning women but alas I wish I had a cloning machine with all the things I want to do in my life. :megacatweary:

)

In regards to annoyance over Republicans "championing" the issue of women's sex-based rights, yeah, I find that annoying too. Especially since we all are aware here that obviously Republicans are not actually championing women's rights, unless they mean women's rights to shut up and pop out babies while pregnant and barefoot in the kitchen. But I'll take a win where I can—I strip off any political parties and focus on whether or not something was good or bad for women. If Democrats are concerned over the fact Republicans are doing something "good" for women during the Right's anti-trans crusades, then they should reflect on what the hell they're doing wrong, and stop disrespecting women so much.

The United States has gotten into this gender woowoo mess because the Democrat party has for a long time assumed women are a stable voting block they "own" that they never have to acknowledge. When faced with recent growing upsets about how the party is handling men in women's protected spaces, they do not react with empathy or concern, they vilify women and try to separate them as "bad" women, the "others." They are showing their true colors, the misogyny that they keep covert, because transgenderism was the issue that managed to scratch the surface of their "we support women" facade.

Hint for Democrat politicians possibly lurking this obscure forum: stop disrespecting and dismissing women and start supporting Democrats for an Informed Approach to Gender to start reversing this absurdity. Otherwise, keep getting decimated in elections by the sexist regressive party who at least can properly define what a woman is. Fucking embarrassing that we are at this point.

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(Jul 11 2025, 7:39 AM)YesYourNigel Radical feminists can't afford to have blinders on in regards to any farther reaching consequences the way that other groups can, especially after Gender Critical got overtaken by conservaturds by force-teaming manipulation tactics and pressuring feminists to keep their mouths shut with the narratives of "don't eat your own", "don't be DiViSiVe" and shifting the idea of being politically homeless to "actually let's give Republicans a chance, too"

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