(Yesterday, 7:41 PM)Wrongtoy (Yesterday, 3:54 PM)ExitStageLeft (Yesterday, 3:22 PM)Wrongtoy I did a thread relating to Afghan women in Vexxed recently. In “helping” these women, we need to examine whether it’s actually help.
English is the language of their most recent enemy. So any tolerance of learning it among uppity women would necessarily endanger them more than men.
As to “dreams” of escaping Afghanistan to the west, those that have haven’t all exactly been “free the burka.” Said women in Europe obediently wearing niquab suggest to male believers that anyone not in one is fair game.
What a negative, and quite frankly, insulting view of the girls and women in these programs. If you cared to learn more about them, you would find that many of the students are not, as you put it, "obediently wearing niquab."
How many Afghan refugees have you met? I know several, and they are all intelligent, passionate young women who are already making a difference in their new homes. What are you really trying to say here?
Helping even one woman get out of Afghanistan is a success. This program helps them do that.
First, wearing niquab isn’t optional in Afghanistan. Second, KJK herself isn’t highly successful in getting niquabi to ditch that in London. Third, there is severely waning enthusiasm in the west when it comes to welcoming Muslims in general, including single females, fourth, most migrating females will be coming with males, be they brothers or sons or husbands, and fifth, said males and their behavior negatively impacts non Muslim women in their society.
So intimating to these women that if they learn a bit of English they’ll just automatically get a student visa in the west is realistically false hope at this time. Further, it is only a matter of time before the taliban stones a woman for tuning in to English language videos. North Korea already executes people for doing that and Afghanistan has the additional female purity reason.
First, I am talking about the young women who leave to pursue their studies, which this problem helps them do. Most, if not all, do not wear niquab once they leave. Again, how many Afghan refugees do you actually know? Many are not Muslim (but even if they are, god forbid they deserve to leave the nightmare that is Afghanistan), so that demonstrates the extent of your knowledge.
And no one said, or intimated, that they would automatically get a visa by learning 'a bit of English.' This program does more than continue their English lessons. It helps them develop resumes, apply for scholarships and universities, learn financial literacy etc. Please stop misrepresenting other people's arguments. It is dishonest. You are relying on false comparisons, lies, and exaggerations to make your point. And your summation of what others are saying is, again, unnecessarily rude and insulting. You clearly have no idea what this program and others like are actually doing.
This program has already had success in helping women get out.
