I am so dissapointed by right wing women right now
I am so dissapointed by right wing women right now
Nov 06 2024, 8:02 AM
It's bleak. I hate MAGA women being anti-choice, anti-gay, anti-POC, etc etc etc and still having the audacity to call themselves radical feminists because the meaning of radical feminist has been twisted into "anyone who is against TRAs".
Sorry if this is too negative. I'm just really bummed out and I feel like female solidarity is bullshit. I cannot and will not have "solidarity" with women who hate women. Attempting to reach out to these women and include them in feminism is a horrible idea because they just steal feminist and GC talking points and use them to push their own bullshit trad agenda. I am so done with racist, homophobic women. No better than their racist, homophobic Nigels.
I deleted my Ovarit account a while ago because it was becoming uncomfortably conservative but I still lurk from time to time and I've definitely noticed the insane amount Trump apologia and Harris demonization coming from Ovarit and similar internet groups. So many women voted for Trump. So many women are identifying as "gender critical" or "radfem" or "TERFs" online despite having 0 feminist leanings and 0 critical views on gender beyond "trans = icky".
It's bleak. I hate MAGA women being anti-choice, anti-gay, anti-POC, etc etc etc and still having the audacity to call themselves radical feminists because the meaning of radical feminist has been twisted into "anyone who is against TRAs".
Sorry if this is too negative. I'm just really bummed out and I feel like female solidarity is bullshit. I cannot and will not have "solidarity" with women who hate women. Attempting to reach out to these women and include them in feminism is a horrible idea because they just steal feminist and GC talking points and use them to push their own bullshit trad agenda. I am so done with racist, homophobic women. No better than their racist, homophobic Nigels.
Nov 06 2024, 6:16 PM
Quote:I'm just really bummed out and I feel like female solidarity is bullshit. I cannot and will not have "solidarity" with women who hate women.What the hell even is female solidarity anymore? (I even asked such a question on Ovarit.) How are the women voting for a man who brags to being able to commit sexual assault to women due to his wealth/power, is a rapist, is a misogynist who repealed Roe v Wade, whose past and current administration want to continue to dismantle women's rights not the ones who feel guilty for not showing female solidarity?! How are these right-wing women showing "female solidarity" by voting for a candidate who talked about having Elon Musk slash government spending on federal social programs, like Medicaid, which many low-income women rely on? Yet feminists, expressing anger over the women who voted for a misogynistic man with regressive policies that are going to harm many women, are the ones who need to be tut-tutted about female solidarity?
To me, female solidarity doesn't mean we have to sit in a circle singing kumbaya with right-wing women who are happy to vote for candidates who want to take away women's rights. I refuse to believe female solidarity = "never call out women for making stupid decisions" when those decisions harm women as a class. That seems to me like a way conservative women who masquerade as "TERFs" or radfems are weaponizing the concept of female solidarity.
To me, female solidarity is continuing the fight for women's rights because it benefits all women. It means not carving out punishment for right-wing women because they made choices that harm women. As in, right-wing women still deserve access to abortion; right-wing women still deserve access to women's shelters; right-wing women still deserve WIC benefits to help feed their children. At the same time, that doesn't mean biting our tongues and supporting women in their decisions to throw themselves and the rest of us onto a pyre. That's my take, at least.
Edited Nov 06 2024, 6:22 PM by Clover.
Don't feel the need to apologize for being negative. I'm with you. It's why I made this place; I was uncomfortable with the direction Ovarit was heading. r/GenderCritical is dead (long live the queen), and Ovarit started off promising, especially as a way for lost r/GenderCritical users, who were mostly radical feminists from what I could tell, to continue their community. I still support the original creators of Ovarit; the decision to make it an online space for all women was noble, but it seems to me it's veering the way "Voat" did. (Long story short: reddit users years ago got upset over censorship on reddit, made a "free speech" reddit clone called Voat, it quickly deteriorated into fascism and a right-wing dumpsterfire.) Ovarit now is not what r/GenderCritical was or even what Ovarit used to be, and stumbling upon r/GenderCritical was the whole reason I learned about radical feminism. I can only hope most of the right-wing trolls on Ovarit fuck off now that the election's over and they got their fascist god-emperor elected again. But I don't know, we'll see what happens when Ovarit gets back online.
Quote:I'm just really bummed out and I feel like female solidarity is bullshit. I cannot and will not have "solidarity" with women who hate women.What the hell even is female solidarity anymore? (I even asked such a question on Ovarit.) How are the women voting for a man who brags to being able to commit sexual assault to women due to his wealth/power, is a rapist, is a misogynist who repealed Roe v Wade, whose past and current administration want to continue to dismantle women's rights not the ones who feel guilty for not showing female solidarity?! How are these right-wing women showing "female solidarity" by voting for a candidate who talked about having Elon Musk slash government spending on federal social programs, like Medicaid, which many low-income women rely on? Yet feminists, expressing anger over the women who voted for a misogynistic man with regressive policies that are going to harm many women, are the ones who need to be tut-tutted about female solidarity?
To me, female solidarity doesn't mean we have to sit in a circle singing kumbaya with right-wing women who are happy to vote for candidates who want to take away women's rights. I refuse to believe female solidarity = "never call out women for making stupid decisions" when those decisions harm women as a class. That seems to me like a way conservative women who masquerade as "TERFs" or radfems are weaponizing the concept of female solidarity.
To me, female solidarity is continuing the fight for women's rights because it benefits all women. It means not carving out punishment for right-wing women because they made choices that harm women. As in, right-wing women still deserve access to abortion; right-wing women still deserve access to women's shelters; right-wing women still deserve WIC benefits to help feed their children. At the same time, that doesn't mean biting our tongues and supporting women in their decisions to throw themselves and the rest of us onto a pyre. That's my take, at least.
Nov 06 2024, 6:39 PM
(Nov 06 2024, 6:16 PM)Clover Don't feel the need to apologize for being negative. I'm with you. It's why I made this place; I was uncomfortable with the direction Ovarit was heading. r/GenderCritical is dead (long live the queen), and Ovarit started off promising, especially as a way for lost r/GenderCritical users, who were mostly radical feminists from what I could tell, to continue their community. I still support the original creators of Ovarit; the decision to make it an online space for all women was noble, but it seems to me it's veering the way "Voat" did. (Long story short: reddit users years ago got upset over censorship on reddit, made a "free speech" reddit clone called Voat, it quickly deteriorated into fascism and a right-wing dumpsterfire.) Ovarit now is not what r/GenderCritical was or even what Ovarit used to be, and stumbling upon r/GenderCritical was the whole reason I learned about radical feminism. I can only hope most of the right-wing trolls on Ovarit fuck off now that the election's over and they got their fascist god-emperor elected again. But I don't know, we'll see what happens when Ovarit gets back online.
Quote:I'm just really bummed out and I feel like female solidarity is bullshit. I cannot and will not have "solidarity" with women who hate women.What the hell even is female solidarity anymore? (I even asked such a question on Ovarit.) How are the women voting for a man who brags to being able to commit sexual assault to women due to his wealth/power, is a rapist, is a misogynist who repealed Roe v Wade, whose past and current administration want to continue to dismantle women's rights not the ones who feel guilty for not showing female solidarity?! How are these right-wing women showing "female solidarity" by voting for a candidate who talked about having Elon Musk slash government spending on federal social programs, like Medicaid, which many low-income women rely on? Yet feminists, expressing anger over the women who voted for a misogynistic man with regressive policies that are going to harm many women, are the ones who need to be tut-tutted about female solidarity?
To me, female solidarity doesn't mean we have to sit in a circle singing kumbaya with right-wing women who are happy to vote for candidates who want to take away women's rights. I refuse to believe female solidarity = "never call out women for making stupid decisions" when those decisions harm women as a class. That seems to me like a way conservative women who masquerade as "TERFs" or radfems are weaponizing the concept of female solidarity.
To me, female solidarity is continuing the fight for women's rights because it benefits all women. It means not carving out punishment for right-wing women because they made choices that harm women. As in, right-wing women still deserve access to abortion; right-wing women still deserve access to women's shelters; right-wing women still deserve WIC benefits to help feed their children. At the same time, that doesn't mean biting our tongues and supporting women in their decisions to throw themselves and the rest of us onto a pyre. That's my take, at least.
Missed your Ovarit thread from April but itās a good thread. I really liked the comments there and wish there were more. This line stood out to me from the user stickofgum:
āMen will defend a random man they donāt even knowā¦over their own kin (provided that kin is female).āĀ
Unconsciously, this has been how Iāve defined and practiced female solidarity. I believe women over men, I support women over men, and always do so unless thereās SIGNIFICANT evidence to the contrary. This absolutely includes men Iām related to or otherwise like.Ā
āFeminist solidarityā is another concept that got bounced around in the thread you linked. I think thatās a different thing. I donāt have feminist solidarity with many women around me, almost all of whom are right wing misogynists or libfem misogynists. But my feminism is still for them, and Iād still stand with them if they were dealing with the harms of misogyny.Ā
It reminds me of the LeopardsAteMyFace concept, but like, the opposite of it. Our conditioning is so powerful as women, and we have so many forces applied to us to get us to prioritize and favor and serve men. Those of us who have wiggled out of that mindset, even a little bit, should consider ourselves fortunate. āBut for the grace of God, so go Iā, the saying goes.
proudcatlady
Nov 06 2024, 6:39 PM #4(Nov 06 2024, 6:16 PM)Clover Don't feel the need to apologize for being negative. I'm with you. It's why I made this place; I was uncomfortable with the direction Ovarit was heading. r/GenderCritical is dead (long live the queen), and Ovarit started off promising, especially as a way for lost r/GenderCritical users, who were mostly radical feminists from what I could tell, to continue their community. I still support the original creators of Ovarit; the decision to make it an online space for all women was noble, but it seems to me it's veering the way "Voat" did. (Long story short: reddit users years ago got upset over censorship on reddit, made a "free speech" reddit clone called Voat, it quickly deteriorated into fascism and a right-wing dumpsterfire.) Ovarit now is not what r/GenderCritical was or even what Ovarit used to be, and stumbling upon r/GenderCritical was the whole reason I learned about radical feminism. I can only hope most of the right-wing trolls on Ovarit fuck off now that the election's over and they got their fascist god-emperor elected again. But I don't know, we'll see what happens when Ovarit gets back online.
Quote:I'm just really bummed out and I feel like female solidarity is bullshit. I cannot and will not have "solidarity" with women who hate women.What the hell even is female solidarity anymore? (I even asked such a question on Ovarit.) How are the women voting for a man who brags to being able to commit sexual assault to women due to his wealth/power, is a rapist, is a misogynist who repealed Roe v Wade, whose past and current administration want to continue to dismantle women's rights not the ones who feel guilty for not showing female solidarity?! How are these right-wing women showing "female solidarity" by voting for a candidate who talked about having Elon Musk slash government spending on federal social programs, like Medicaid, which many low-income women rely on? Yet feminists, expressing anger over the women who voted for a misogynistic man with regressive policies that are going to harm many women, are the ones who need to be tut-tutted about female solidarity?
To me, female solidarity doesn't mean we have to sit in a circle singing kumbaya with right-wing women who are happy to vote for candidates who want to take away women's rights. I refuse to believe female solidarity = "never call out women for making stupid decisions" when those decisions harm women as a class. That seems to me like a way conservative women who masquerade as "TERFs" or radfems are weaponizing the concept of female solidarity.
To me, female solidarity is continuing the fight for women's rights because it benefits all women. It means not carving out punishment for right-wing women because they made choices that harm women. As in, right-wing women still deserve access to abortion; right-wing women still deserve access to women's shelters; right-wing women still deserve WIC benefits to help feed their children. At the same time, that doesn't mean biting our tongues and supporting women in their decisions to throw themselves and the rest of us onto a pyre. That's my take, at least.
Missed your Ovarit thread from April but itās a good thread. I really liked the comments there and wish there were more. This line stood out to me from the user stickofgum:
āMen will defend a random man they donāt even knowā¦over their own kin (provided that kin is female).āĀ
Unconsciously, this has been how Iāve defined and practiced female solidarity. I believe women over men, I support women over men, and always do so unless thereās SIGNIFICANT evidence to the contrary. This absolutely includes men Iām related to or otherwise like.Ā
āFeminist solidarityā is another concept that got bounced around in the thread you linked. I think thatās a different thing. I donāt have feminist solidarity with many women around me, almost all of whom are right wing misogynists or libfem misogynists. But my feminism is still for them, and Iād still stand with them if they were dealing with the harms of misogyny.Ā
It reminds me of the LeopardsAteMyFace concept, but like, the opposite of it. Our conditioning is so powerful as women, and we have so many forces applied to us to get us to prioritize and favor and serve men. Those of us who have wiggled out of that mindset, even a little bit, should consider ourselves fortunate. āBut for the grace of God, so go Iā, the saying goes.
Nov 06 2024, 9:41 PM
ive-seen-stranger
Nov 06 2024, 9:41 PM #5I feel the same way. Looking at the statistics for white women especially made me tear up. I'm disappointed but even more than that, I'm ashamed. Honestly, I think this election may have taken away some of my faith in humanity forever. I'm still going to give it my all though, given that I have nothing else to give.
Nov 09 2024, 12:58 AM
We need to stay strong, find each other, and unite against bigotry and hatred. United we stand.
ive-seen-stranger I'm still going to give it my all though, given that I have nothing else to give.
Hell yeah. š
The more I browse social media since the election results, the more my heart hurts. I think I completely blocked the idea of another possible Trump presidency out of my mind, I thought it just couldn't happen. I didn't prepare myself at all for this. I just see news and posts of women and minorities getting insulted, being harassed, feeling hopeless. I can't believe we're going through this again. It's so painful.
We need to stay strong, find each other, and unite against bigotry and hatred. United we stand.
ive-seen-stranger I'm still going to give it my all though, given that I have nothing else to give.
Hell yeah. š
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