Has there ever been a real discussion with the liberals on our viewpoint?
Has there ever been a real discussion with the liberals on our viewpoint?
But there's an additional layer to it when they say things like "past racial segregation and current gender segregation are the same" that are, in my opinion, more maicious than just a symptom of being chronically online. I thin they are actively being ideological agents of right wing people. Our racial struggle has become secondary to the gender ideology, as in sentences of "sexual, gender, and racial minorities" you'll see liberals sprinkle around. Or the fact that our SKIN COLOUR is put on the flag of the LGBTQ+ as an aside. As if we are in the same category. As if you can minimise and reduce our generational struggle to this.
I feel like they speak in our name. If you look at liberal feminsim 10 years ago, they were usually debating right wingers on whether or not muslims are human beings, and the right would threaten them with male violence. That the solution to that was to continue funding war AND sending them back to it. Doesn't this discussion feel like it is missing... us? I remember back then the emphasis that these white women on the liberal side had on voicing other people, even if in gesture, which is lacking today. It seems that liberals are more and more agents of the right wing and enemies to the global working class than before, or at least more apparently. Because even back then, they empathised with racial minorities in a really creepy way sometimes, such as focusing on male sexual criminals, or deeply psychologically stressed male refugees. Nothing about the women, or why the path was dangerous to them, or why the systems of the west hurt them, was ever discussed. They wanted to portray racial minorities in distress - muslim refugees in this example - as some form of accessory to their moral upstanding. They pick the boogeyman to the right wingers not because they "wanted to humanise muslims in the public eye", because deep down they know that is rediculous, but because they wanted to shift the struggle of racial minorities from a battle against western supremacy, the laws that revent them from living a dignified life, and forcing refugees to be dependent, to an individualistic one: a battle against the right wingers, because their personal disgust for their neighbour is the only thing causing harm to them. Have we ever been consulted, asked, given legal representation in the grand scheme of the past 20 years (as non-white minorities in general)? It seems to me like our skin colour can only be publicised if we are sterile of our community, if we represent white thought, for example.
I've recently stumbled upon a black american communist man doing video essays. Sadly, he would paint both racial and gender identities with the same brush. As if we fully adopt and have to coddle men who call us "ugly, manly compared to white women". I've NEVER seen a debate in which someone who is both of colour and radical feminist ever get platformed, and I've personally been threatened within my fair share of debates, online or real. Liberals threatened me with violence, and with the prospect of losing them and being lumped away with the right wingers.
Just some food for thought. Any discussion, personal stories, or opinions would be greatly appreciated.
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Hello everyone, I'm sure you're aware how we on the radfem and left side are usually ignored. Liberals want to reduce radical feminism to just gender critical branch of thought and then group that with the right wingers. okay, whatever.
But there's an additional layer to it when they say things like "past racial segregation and current gender segregation are the same" that are, in my opinion, more maicious than just a symptom of being chronically online. I thin they are actively being ideological agents of right wing people. Our racial struggle has become secondary to the gender ideology, as in sentences of "sexual, gender, and racial minorities" you'll see liberals sprinkle around. Or the fact that our SKIN COLOUR is put on the flag of the LGBTQ+ as an aside. As if we are in the same category. As if you can minimise and reduce our generational struggle to this.
I feel like they speak in our name. If you look at liberal feminsim 10 years ago, they were usually debating right wingers on whether or not muslims are human beings, and the right would threaten them with male violence. That the solution to that was to continue funding war AND sending them back to it. Doesn't this discussion feel like it is missing... us? I remember back then the emphasis that these white women on the liberal side had on voicing other people, even if in gesture, which is lacking today. It seems that liberals are more and more agents of the right wing and enemies to the global working class than before, or at least more apparently. Because even back then, they empathised with racial minorities in a really creepy way sometimes, such as focusing on male sexual criminals, or deeply psychologically stressed male refugees. Nothing about the women, or why the path was dangerous to them, or why the systems of the west hurt them, was ever discussed. They wanted to portray racial minorities in distress - muslim refugees in this example - as some form of accessory to their moral upstanding. They pick the boogeyman to the right wingers not because they "wanted to humanise muslims in the public eye", because deep down they know that is rediculous, but because they wanted to shift the struggle of racial minorities from a battle against western supremacy, the laws that revent them from living a dignified life, and forcing refugees to be dependent, to an individualistic one: a battle against the right wingers, because their personal disgust for their neighbour is the only thing causing harm to them. Have we ever been consulted, asked, given legal representation in the grand scheme of the past 20 years (as non-white minorities in general)? It seems to me like our skin colour can only be publicised if we are sterile of our community, if we represent white thought, for example.
I've recently stumbled upon a black american communist man doing video essays. Sadly, he would paint both racial and gender identities with the same brush. As if we fully adopt and have to coddle men who call us "ugly, manly compared to white women". I've NEVER seen a debate in which someone who is both of colour and radical feminist ever get platformed, and I've personally been threatened within my fair share of debates, online or real. Liberals threatened me with violence, and with the prospect of losing them and being lumped away with the right wingers.
Just some food for thought. Any discussion, personal stories, or opinions would be greatly appreciated.
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