clovenhooves The Personal Is Political Institutional Sexism Article 'She should be in the kitchen, not writing papers': Bias in STEM publishing still punishes women

Article 'She should be in the kitchen, not writing papers': Bias in STEM publishing still punishes women

Article 'She should be in the kitchen, not writing papers': Bias in STEM publishing still punishes women

 
Aug 6 2025, 7:42 AM
#1
https://www.livescience.com/human-behavior/the-first-author-was-a-woman-she-should-be-in-the-kitchen-not-writing-papers-bias-in-stem-publishing-still-punishes-women

https://archive.ph/LwcdU

Quote:In judging individuals, it might be thought that there are appropriate quantitative and objective metrics to be used. In reality, such metrics can be seen to disadvantage women. Different disciplines and different countries may exhibit these tendencies to a greater or lesser extent. Letters of reference — in science as elsewhere — tend to use fewer stand-out adjectives about women than men, meaning their chance of progression is reduced.

Women's papers are cited less; their grants are on average smaller; and their papers have a harder time getting past reviewers. A recent study of referees' comments highlighted just how unpleasant, not to mention unhelpful, referee comments may be. One example stated: "This paper is, simply, manure." Hardly constructive criticism.

And misogyny can feed into reviewers' comments, sometimes explicitly, as in the case of another review quoted in the same paper: "The first author was a woman. She should be in the kitchen, not writing papers." I would like to think that referee was blacklisted thereafter by the editor concerned, but the fact the editor saw fit to pass the comments on makes me think that was unlikely.
Magpie
Aug 6 2025, 7:42 AM #1

https://www.livescience.com/human-behavior/the-first-author-was-a-woman-she-should-be-in-the-kitchen-not-writing-papers-bias-in-stem-publishing-still-punishes-women

https://archive.ph/LwcdU

Quote:In judging individuals, it might be thought that there are appropriate quantitative and objective metrics to be used. In reality, such metrics can be seen to disadvantage women. Different disciplines and different countries may exhibit these tendencies to a greater or lesser extent. Letters of reference — in science as elsewhere — tend to use fewer stand-out adjectives about women than men, meaning their chance of progression is reduced.

Women's papers are cited less; their grants are on average smaller; and their papers have a harder time getting past reviewers. A recent study of referees' comments highlighted just how unpleasant, not to mention unhelpful, referee comments may be. One example stated: "This paper is, simply, manure." Hardly constructive criticism.

And misogyny can feed into reviewers' comments, sometimes explicitly, as in the case of another review quoted in the same paper: "The first author was a woman. She should be in the kitchen, not writing papers." I would like to think that referee was blacklisted thereafter by the editor concerned, but the fact the editor saw fit to pass the comments on makes me think that was unlikely.

komorebi
“I am not free while any woman is unfree, even when her shackles are very different from my own.” – Audre Lorde
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Aug 8 2025, 12:00 PM
#2
"She should be in the kitchen, not writing papers"? Sheesh. Men should be sunk to the bottom of the ocean with lead weights tied to their legs, not leaving misogynistic comments on research papers.
Edited Aug 8 2025, 12:00 PM by komorebi.
komorebi
“I am not free while any woman is unfree, even when her shackles are very different from my own.” – Audre Lorde
Aug 8 2025, 12:00 PM #2

"She should be in the kitchen, not writing papers"? Sheesh. Men should be sunk to the bottom of the ocean with lead weights tied to their legs, not leaving misogynistic comments on research papers.

Aug 9 2025, 4:04 PM
#3
I'd settle for them shutting the fuck up more often.
Elsacat
Aug 9 2025, 4:04 PM #3

I'd settle for them shutting the fuck up more often.

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