Scottish Supreme Court hearing case on definition of a woman

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News Scottish Supreme Court hearing case on definition of a woman

News Scottish Supreme Court hearing case on definition of a woman

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Nov 26 2024, 4:20 PM

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BBC News, November 26 2024.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckgv8v5ge37o

Quote:Judges at the Supreme Court are considering how women are defined in law in a landmark case brought by Scottish campaigners.

It is the culmination of a long-running legal dispute which started with a relatively niche piece of legislation at the Scottish Parliament, but which could have big UK-wide implications.

It will set out exactly how the law is meant to treat trans people, and what it really means to go through the gender recognition process.

Quote:The case started on Tuesday, with judges hearing from lawyers acting on behalf of the For Women Scotland campaign group, which is concerned about the potential impact of trans rights on women's rights.

The Scottish government's legal representatives will address the court on Wednesday, before the judges retire to consider their ruling - which could take several weeks.

At the most basic level, the case centres on what “sex” actually means in law.

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Nov 26 2024, 4:20 PM #1

BBC News, November 26 2024.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckgv8v5ge37o

Quote:Judges at the Supreme Court are considering how women are defined in law in a landmark case brought by Scottish campaigners.

It is the culmination of a long-running legal dispute which started with a relatively niche piece of legislation at the Scottish Parliament, but which could have big UK-wide implications.

It will set out exactly how the law is meant to treat trans people, and what it really means to go through the gender recognition process.

Quote:The case started on Tuesday, with judges hearing from lawyers acting on behalf of the For Women Scotland campaign group, which is concerned about the potential impact of trans rights on women's rights.

The Scottish government's legal representatives will address the court on Wednesday, before the judges retire to consider their ruling - which could take several weeks.

At the most basic level, the case centres on what “sex” actually means in law.

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komorebi
“I am not free while any woman is unfree, even when her shackles are very different from my own.” – Audre Lorde

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Nov 26 2024, 5:59 PM

#2

Sigh...

Not sure why they've got to send this to the Supreme Court; seems to me this has already been decided. A woman is anyone who can't inherit a peerage. 🙄 lol

Actually, I guess I should look on the bright side. There's no guarantee that they will decide in our favor, but at least they're having the debate over there, which is more than can be said for our side of the pond...

komorebi

“I am not free while any woman is unfree, even when her shackles are very different from my own.” – Audre Lorde

Nov 26 2024, 5:59 PM #2

Sigh...

Not sure why they've got to send this to the Supreme Court; seems to me this has already been decided. A woman is anyone who can't inherit a peerage. 🙄 lol

Actually, I guess I should look on the bright side. There's no guarantee that they will decide in our favor, but at least they're having the debate over there, which is more than can be said for our side of the pond...

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Nov 26 2024, 9:17 PM

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(Nov 26 2024, 5:59 PM)komorebi Sigh...

Not sure why they've got to send this to the Supreme Court; seems to me this has already been decided. A woman is anyone who can't inherit a peerage. 🙄 lol

Omg! This article is so ridiculous!

Should a trans woman inherit a peerage over their older sister? Whichever side of the trans debate you stand on – whether you think that biological sex is an immutable characteristic that needs recognition, or that a self-declared gender identity is enough to make you a woman in fact as well as in law – it is surely impossible to have it both ways. If [transgender-identifying man] Matilda Simon is a woman, she doesn’t qualify to inherit a male peerage. Indeed, if she’s a progressively minded person you might wonder why she’s so keen to take advantage not only of a hereditary membership of the upper house, but of the still more reactionary custom of male primogeniture. In so doing, be it noted, she leapfrogs her elder sibling Margaret – who as a natal woman is unable to inherit the title.

TIMs are literally trying to "have their cake and eat it too"! 🤬

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Nov 26 2024, 9:17 PM #3

(Nov 26 2024, 5:59 PM)komorebi Sigh...

Not sure why they've got to send this to the Supreme Court; seems to me this has already been decided. A woman is anyone who can't inherit a peerage. 🙄 lol

Omg! This article is so ridiculous!

Should a trans woman inherit a peerage over their older sister? Whichever side of the trans debate you stand on – whether you think that biological sex is an immutable characteristic that needs recognition, or that a self-declared gender identity is enough to make you a woman in fact as well as in law – it is surely impossible to have it both ways. If [transgender-identifying man] Matilda Simon is a woman, she doesn’t qualify to inherit a male peerage. Indeed, if she’s a progressively minded person you might wonder why she’s so keen to take advantage not only of a hereditary membership of the upper house, but of the still more reactionary custom of male primogeniture. In so doing, be it noted, she leapfrogs her elder sibling Margaret – who as a natal woman is unable to inherit the title.

TIMs are literally trying to "have their cake and eat it too"! 🤬

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komorebi
“I am not free while any woman is unfree, even when her shackles are very different from my own.” – Audre Lorde

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Nov 27 2024, 3:06 PM

#4

Yeah, true oppression isn't a costume that you can put on and take off at whim. As a "woman," you'd think he'd show a little class solidarity. Instead, he benefited from being shown class solidarity by another male. Frustrating, but not surprising in the least.

I hope sanity prevails in this case, though I'm not holding my breath. (Dare I hope, for once?)

komorebi

“I am not free while any woman is unfree, even when her shackles are very different from my own.” – Audre Lorde

Nov 27 2024, 3:06 PM #4

Yeah, true oppression isn't a costume that you can put on and take off at whim. As a "woman," you'd think he'd show a little class solidarity. Instead, he benefited from being shown class solidarity by another male. Frustrating, but not surprising in the least.

I hope sanity prevails in this case, though I'm not holding my breath. (Dare I hope, for once?)

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