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			<title><![CDATA[American Medical Association Endorses Restrictions on Gender-Related Surgery for Minors]]></title>
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Plastic surgeons and now the AMA (largest group representing U.S. physicians across all specialties). When the AAP (pediatricians) comes out with a similar statement, as they will have to if they are following the science, that will be the beginning of the end of insurance coverage for surgical procedures in the name of "gender transition" in the U.S. for children and teens under 18. Insurers are not going to pay for procedures for children and teens that aren't endorsed by the AMA and AAP because it will be impossible to defend in malpractice lawsuits.<br />
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I do think puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones will continue getting coverage at least for awhile yet. The damage is less obvious and takes longer to develop.]]></description>
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Plastic surgeons and now the AMA (largest group representing U.S. physicians across all specialties). When the AAP (pediatricians) comes out with a similar statement, as they will have to if they are following the science, that will be the beginning of the end of insurance coverage for surgical procedures in the name of "gender transition" in the U.S. for children and teens under 18. Insurers are not going to pay for procedures for children and teens that aren't endorsed by the AMA and AAP because it will be impossible to defend in malpractice lawsuits.<br />
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I do think puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones will continue getting coverage at least for awhile yet. The damage is less obvious and takes longer to develop.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Beauty Resistance is Gender Resistance]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2026 06:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[When she was around, YesYourNigel would often call not for <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">acceptance of</span> different gender expressions (masculine, feminine, and the various compromises thereof), but for the <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">abolition of femininity</span>. This post is essentially me agreeing with that position and offering a bit of my thinking on why. (My thinking is obviously not entirely hers.)<br />
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Let's start off by pointing out trans-women are roughly three times as common as trans-men. In fact, what we today call the gender identity issue used to be almost entirely a male problem. It's only truly become otherwise in this century. And when girls and women do seek to disavow womanhood, they rarely go so far as to aspire to maleness. On the contrary, girls and young women living under the trans umbrella usually choose the more neutral gender identity called "non-binary". Why the disparity? Why do many boys and men wish to belong to the other sex while girls and women almost never do? Because Valerie Solanas was right, not an hysterical loon: deep down, we all know that men are inferior to women and the contours of transgenderism are simply one especially stark expression of this reality among countless others. There are a thousand different proofs of female superiority, but I'll take just a moment here to hook you up with <a href="https://www.womad.life/305431?cache=public&amp;page=2" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">just a few more of them, courtesy of Womad</a>:<br />
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<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">Some data on the parasites</span><br />
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I'll keep updating this post with more<br />
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Daughters increase longevity of fathers<br />
<a href="https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16634019/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16634019/</a><br />
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Daughters spend more time caring for aging parents<br />
<a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2014/08/20/daughters-spend-more-time-caring-for-aging-parents-than-sons/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2014/08/20/daughters-spend-more-time-caring-for-aging-parents-than-sons/</a><br />
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Wives increase husband's lifespans while husbands decrease wive's lifespan (correlation is even greater when age gap increases)<br />
<a href="https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/05/100512062631.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/05/100512062631.htm</a><br />
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Men with sisters are happier and more optimistic<br />
<a href="https://www.tlc.com/life---relationships/study-says-having-a-sister-makes-you-more-optimistic-kinder-and-happier" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://www.tlc.com/life---relationships/study-says-having-a-sister-makes-you-more-optimistic-kinder-and-happier</a><br />
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Women with brothers earn less money<br />
<a href="https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/women-brother-gender-pay-gap-earn-less-study-research-cornell-university-a7959166.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/women-brother-gender-pay-gap-earn-less-study-research-cornell-university-a7959166.html</a><br />
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Women with brothers are forced to conform more strongly to gender expectations<br />
<a href="https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00148-021-00830-9" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00148-021-00830-9</a><br />
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Mother's lives are reduced by giving birth to sons<br />
<a href="https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/having-sons-can-shorten-a-woman-life/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/having-sons-can-shorten-a-woman-life/</a> <br />
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No shit: Women are happier without parasites and children <br />
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<a href="https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/may/25/women-happier-without-children-or-a-spouse-happiness-expert" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/may/25/women-happier-without-children-or-a-spouse-happiness-expert</a><br />
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The Kinsey Reports found out (in 1948) that at least half of m*les have cheated on their female partners. 24 percent of these subhumans 80 years or older report cheating while only 6 percent of women say the same.<br />
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<a href="https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF02693241" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF02693241</a><br />
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<a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2004/11/dr-kinseys-revolution/303649/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2004/11/dr-kinseys-revolution/303649/</a><br />
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<a href="https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/age-married-men-most-likely-044145609.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/age-married-men-most-likely-044145609.html</a></blockquote>
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In short, moids are far more emotionally dependent on us than we are on them. Physically we may not be the stronger sex, but emotionally we definitely are. The further away girls and women are from their male counterparts, the happier and healthier we tend to be. Moids get their health and happiness by attaching themselves to us and draining ours. They extend their lives by reducing ours. They are literally emotional parasites. This simple fact proves the misogyny inherent in leftists' frequent arguments in favor of narrowing the sex gap in life expectancy. A gap only narrowly favoring women suggests male privilege. The freer women are, the longer we live, the shorter men are going to tend to live because they can't mentally-emotionally make it without us. They lose it and die younger. A world in which girls and women were as well off as possible would be one with a wider life expectancy gap, not a smaller one.<br />
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The way I see it, male nature encompasses both dominance and submission while female nature trends in a more collaborative direction overall. It corresponds to these realities that men prefer starker expressions while women tend to prefer more neutral ones. It also reflects the different ways that our brains work. The female brain is more neurally interconnected than the male brain, so it follows that we would tend to view the elements of life as being more interconnected, more related to each other, while a man will see things more in isolation, in poles and separations.<br />
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Anyway, I bring up the sex difference in the way transgenderism finds expression because it's key to understanding what's happening at the moment. There have been a few studies of late (<a href="https://www.newsweek.com/young-americans-increasingly-identifying-heterosexual-again-10882209" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">example</a>), along with a mounting volume of circumstantial evidence in the culture (<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/plushies/comments/1exlmuz/plushie_dreadfuls_creator_called_pansexuality_a/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">example</a>) that queer identities have begun receding in commonality here in the U.S. in the last few years, but with a clear subgroup skew:<br />
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<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite>Specifically, there has been a decline of between 3 to 6 percent in the number of students identifying as non-binary in 2025, compared to 2023.<br />
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Additionally, the researchers found that there has been a "return to heterosexuality," even though students identifying as lesbian or gay have remained "stable" in recent years. That said, the number of students identifying as heterosexual still remains 7 percentage points below its level in 2020.<br />
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Those identifying as bisexual have varied the most, increasing from 10 to 17 percent of students between 2020 and 2023, and decreasing to 12 percent by 2025.</blockquote>
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This brings me to the question of sexuality because when we're talking about "bi" people, that too is a very female-skewing group. In keeping with our theme of girls and women tending to favor more neutral expressions, this applies to sexual identities as well. Girls and women have been significantly more likely than their male counterparts to consider themselves "bi", while men have been more a bit more apt to identify as gay than women have been to call themselves lesbians. My point is that we're talking about the same demographic here in both cases: girls and young women are the ones who in the last 15 years or so became far more likely to call themselves bi than in the past and likewise have been the driving force in the uptick in gender-queer identification, led heavily by newfound "non-binary" self-classifications. Let me suggest to you that these are the same girls and women. Basically "non-binary" is a subset of the bi trend that is now receding in the culture. As bi identification declines, so too does non-binary ID. The two things go hand-in-hand because they are closely related and very, <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">very</span> heavily overlapping in truth to the point of being close to synonymous.<br />
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The study linked above suggests that the aforementioned receding began after the pandemic lifted and people started being able to access therapy again and whatnot and the public's mental health in general began to notch discernible, statistically-measurable improvements. In other words, there is evidence of an perhaps causative connection between poor mental health and bi and non-binary identification in that, as mental health improves, these sexual and gender IDs become less common. Causation isn't firmly established here, but the correlation has to be taken as significant for sure. It certainly would help validate feminist arguments that gender identity is a social contagion, not a naturally occurring phenomenon unrelated to mental health or illness. But this would suggest the bisexual identification to some considerable extent may also be part of the same social contagion, which would be new territory for the consideration of modern feminists.<br />
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I specify "modern feminists" above because there was a time when women's liberationists may have been less surprised. In the 1970s and '80s, political lesbians would sometime argue against social acceptance of bisexual lifestyles on the grounds that they compromised the integrity of female separatism in a way that would lead to the dilution of our class consciousness. We know which side won that debate in the end, but the dissenters have well-documented the subsequent ascendancy of queer theory in academia, with its attendant normalization of trans politics. In other words, ideologically speaking, this can be considered a beast of multiculturalism; of the individualist ethos sweeping the women's movement as various legal reforms and victories were won and a certain bourgeoisification was achieved.<br />
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None of this is to suggest that there's no such thing as a genuine bi woman or that all bisexuality is false or fabricated in every case, but it does kinda dovetail with the well-known reality that very few so-called bi women bother to date other women (especially more than once). It does kinda seem like the immense majority of them are basically mentally-emotionally deeply pained and struggling heterosexual women with some very broad identity issues going on. The bulk today seem to be young, recent "converts" who really just latched onto the marriage equality movement strongly enough that they wanted to be gay or wanted the attention and public sympathy that seemed to be there for gay people in and around the height of the marriage equality movement, something like that, and so essentially found a way appropriate a gay identity without actually being, you know, gay. Now that they're in a better place in terms of mental health and it's no longer cool to be gay, they're increasingly straight again. The same is true of "trans" folks, but the non-binary group in particular. Same principal demos. It's noteworthy that, by contrast, the number of lesbians and gay men "has remained stable", i.e. seems unaffected by changes in the public's general mental well-being. Perhaps because that is a naturally occurring phenomenon.<br />
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The crisis of female identity I'm discussing that swept much of the globe, from the United States to Pakistan and all manner of places in-between, had exceptions though, and no they weren't all heavily agrarian societies with comparatively minimal internet access. The case of South Korea has long struck me as especially significant in this connection. Where here in the U.S., and much of the Western world, the 2010s were significantly defined by a marriage equality movement, in South Korea the young women experiencing this same crisis responded by instead <a href="https://www.feministcurrent.com/2018/09/06/south-koreas-take-off-corset-movement-inspire-feminists-everywhere-towards-radical-action/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">engaging in beauty resistance</a>. It looked like this:<br />
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The first image above is a before-and-after picture of a young Korean woman meant to promote her transformation from decorative male appendage to autonomous human being that she posted to social media. The second depicts a Korean woman's destroyed beauty products, also posted to social media. This was, in other words, not meant to promote the value of personal choice per se, but rather as prescriptive. These radical women concluded that the problem wasn't within them, but with society; that femininity was the problem, not their natural lack of it. The women of Womad, who led the charge, describe the sort of gender expression they promote as "androgyny" and believe it is the natural social expression of the psychologically liberated woman. A solution for all of us rather than distinct solutions for each of us.<br />
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The next question is why. Why did this happen in South Korea and not elsewhere? What circumstances caused so many young women there to respond differently to the modern female identity crisis? To highlight some of the backdrop pointed out by Hyejung Park, Jihye Kuk, and Caroline Norma in their article on the "take off the corset" movement linked above:<br />
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<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite>...In April [2018], <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">The Telegraph</span> <a href="https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/04/18/south-koreas-cosmetic-surgery-industry-faces-backlash-cultural/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">reported</a> on a growing movement against “cultural violence against women” in South Korea, which rose up in response to the fact that women in the nation were undergoing more plastic surgery than anywhere else in the world. Emanuel Pastreich, head of the Asia Institute, told Julian Ryall:<br />
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<span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">“Korean society has become completely distorted by this rush to undergo surgery and, speaking personally, I believe it is very sad that it has shifted to the point that women are seen merely as sex objects that have to undergo the scalpel to be perfect.”</span><br />
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This movement had success in November 2017 when Seoul Metro, which runs trains and buses in the world’s most populous city, <a href="https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2018/02/05/581765974/in-seoul-a-plastic-surgery-capital-residents-frown-on-ads-for-cosmetic-procedure" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">banned</a> cosmetic surgery ads in its stations.<br />
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Beauty practices are enforced more strictly for South Korean women than perhaps any female population on earth. Women’s ability to flourish and live autonomously, in a political, economic, and social context, is kept in check through intense pressure to get plastic surgery, to diet after graduation in order to compete in the job market, and to spend money on skin treatments, hair styling, and body hair removal treatments. Even for underage Korean girls the regime is fundamentalist: it’s hard to find a girl not wearing makeup by sixth grade, and some middle school uniforms for girls come with inner pockets for lip gloss. Female students in secondary schools are told not wearing makeup is socially impolite.<br />
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Under this regime, the beauty and personal care industries are extremely <a href="https://www.statista.com/statistics/550732/beauty-and-personal-care-market-size-south-korea/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">profitable</a>, and whole sectors of the economy are dominated by cosmetics, dieting, and fashion. One extreme plastic surgery procedure popularized by K-pop stars is called <a href="https://www.theverge.com/2018/4/6/17205718/plastic-surgery-apps-why-cosmetic-surgeons-insecurity" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">“V-line surgery,”</a> and involves shaving the jawline to create a V-shaped face. <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">The Verge </span>reports, “Technically called ‘corrective jaw surgery,’ it’s a procedure that requires the jaw to be wired shut for six weeks and can result in permanent numbness or death.” <br />
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The campaign began when young Korean women — calling themselves “beauty resisters” — began posting before-and-after selfies showing the results of throwing off beauty practices and images of destroyed beauty, cosmetic, and dieting products online. Others women joined in, discontinuing regimes of beauty in their personal lives as a strategy of political liberation for women as a whole. </blockquote>
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Men tend to prize superficiality in their partners even when their partners are male. Lesbian culture, to the extent that it exists autonomously from that of gay men, tends in the other direction, toward prizing naturalism more. It just goes to show how differently women often think when the parasites aren't in the equation.<br />
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The authors marvel at the Korean women's ability to resist such overwhelming cultural force, but it strikes me that the <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">particular</span> severity of the problem in South Korea <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">is precisely why</span> such a movement took root there and not elsewhere! Or at least one of the reasons. But anyway, the point is that queer politics seemed to be largely held at bay by the ascendancy of this movement. Women in South Korea are still broadly understood as a biological sex, not just a state of mind corresponding to male domination fantasies, and as much tells me that beauty culture lies at the very heart of the female identity crisis. The female identity crisis has taken root in response to the increasing severity of socially obligatory beauty regimens and demands for cosmetic surgeries in recent decades and can be most effectively combated by feminist movements of beauty resistance.<br />
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<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">Concluding Note:</span> I've broad-brushed somewhat in this commentary, leaving some subjects less central to the issue (such as butch lesbians and their relationship to gender ID) unaddressed. Sorry about that. Just wanted to get directly to the heart and soul of the female identity crisis here such as to clarify the basic solution.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[When she was around, YesYourNigel would often call not for <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">acceptance of</span> different gender expressions (masculine, feminine, and the various compromises thereof), but for the <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">abolition of femininity</span>. This post is essentially me agreeing with that position and offering a bit of my thinking on why. (My thinking is obviously not entirely hers.)<br />
<br />
Let's start off by pointing out trans-women are roughly three times as common as trans-men. In fact, what we today call the gender identity issue used to be almost entirely a male problem. It's only truly become otherwise in this century. And when girls and women do seek to disavow womanhood, they rarely go so far as to aspire to maleness. On the contrary, girls and young women living under the trans umbrella usually choose the more neutral gender identity called "non-binary". Why the disparity? Why do many boys and men wish to belong to the other sex while girls and women almost never do? Because Valerie Solanas was right, not an hysterical loon: deep down, we all know that men are inferior to women and the contours of transgenderism are simply one especially stark expression of this reality among countless others. There are a thousand different proofs of female superiority, but I'll take just a moment here to hook you up with <a href="https://www.womad.life/305431?cache=public&amp;page=2" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">just a few more of them, courtesy of Womad</a>:<br />
<br />
<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">Some data on the parasites</span><br />
<br />
I'll keep updating this post with more<br />
<br />
<br />
Daughters increase longevity of fathers<br />
<a href="https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16634019/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16634019/</a><br />
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Daughters spend more time caring for aging parents<br />
<a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2014/08/20/daughters-spend-more-time-caring-for-aging-parents-than-sons/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2014/08/20/daughters-spend-more-time-caring-for-aging-parents-than-sons/</a><br />
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Wives increase husband's lifespans while husbands decrease wive's lifespan (correlation is even greater when age gap increases)<br />
<a href="https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/05/100512062631.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/05/100512062631.htm</a><br />
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Men with sisters are happier and more optimistic<br />
<a href="https://www.tlc.com/life---relationships/study-says-having-a-sister-makes-you-more-optimistic-kinder-and-happier" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://www.tlc.com/life---relationships/study-says-having-a-sister-makes-you-more-optimistic-kinder-and-happier</a><br />
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Women with brothers earn less money<br />
<a href="https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/women-brother-gender-pay-gap-earn-less-study-research-cornell-university-a7959166.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/women-brother-gender-pay-gap-earn-less-study-research-cornell-university-a7959166.html</a><br />
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Women with brothers are forced to conform more strongly to gender expectations<br />
<a href="https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00148-021-00830-9" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00148-021-00830-9</a><br />
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Mother's lives are reduced by giving birth to sons<br />
<a href="https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/having-sons-can-shorten-a-woman-life/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/having-sons-can-shorten-a-woman-life/</a> <br />
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No shit: Women are happier without parasites and children <br />
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<a href="https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/may/25/women-happier-without-children-or-a-spouse-happiness-expert" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/may/25/women-happier-without-children-or-a-spouse-happiness-expert</a><br />
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The Kinsey Reports found out (in 1948) that at least half of m*les have cheated on their female partners. 24 percent of these subhumans 80 years or older report cheating while only 6 percent of women say the same.<br />
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<a href="https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF02693241" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF02693241</a><br />
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<a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2004/11/dr-kinseys-revolution/303649/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2004/11/dr-kinseys-revolution/303649/</a><br />
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<a href="https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/age-married-men-most-likely-044145609.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/age-married-men-most-likely-044145609.html</a></blockquote>
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In short, moids are far more emotionally dependent on us than we are on them. Physically we may not be the stronger sex, but emotionally we definitely are. The further away girls and women are from their male counterparts, the happier and healthier we tend to be. Moids get their health and happiness by attaching themselves to us and draining ours. They extend their lives by reducing ours. They are literally emotional parasites. This simple fact proves the misogyny inherent in leftists' frequent arguments in favor of narrowing the sex gap in life expectancy. A gap only narrowly favoring women suggests male privilege. The freer women are, the longer we live, the shorter men are going to tend to live because they can't mentally-emotionally make it without us. They lose it and die younger. A world in which girls and women were as well off as possible would be one with a wider life expectancy gap, not a smaller one.<br />
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The way I see it, male nature encompasses both dominance and submission while female nature trends in a more collaborative direction overall. It corresponds to these realities that men prefer starker expressions while women tend to prefer more neutral ones. It also reflects the different ways that our brains work. The female brain is more neurally interconnected than the male brain, so it follows that we would tend to view the elements of life as being more interconnected, more related to each other, while a man will see things more in isolation, in poles and separations.<br />
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Anyway, I bring up the sex difference in the way transgenderism finds expression because it's key to understanding what's happening at the moment. There have been a few studies of late (<a href="https://www.newsweek.com/young-americans-increasingly-identifying-heterosexual-again-10882209" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">example</a>), along with a mounting volume of circumstantial evidence in the culture (<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/plushies/comments/1exlmuz/plushie_dreadfuls_creator_called_pansexuality_a/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">example</a>) that queer identities have begun receding in commonality here in the U.S. in the last few years, but with a clear subgroup skew:<br />
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<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite>Specifically, there has been a decline of between 3 to 6 percent in the number of students identifying as non-binary in 2025, compared to 2023.<br />
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Additionally, the researchers found that there has been a "return to heterosexuality," even though students identifying as lesbian or gay have remained "stable" in recent years. That said, the number of students identifying as heterosexual still remains 7 percentage points below its level in 2020.<br />
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Those identifying as bisexual have varied the most, increasing from 10 to 17 percent of students between 2020 and 2023, and decreasing to 12 percent by 2025.</blockquote>
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This brings me to the question of sexuality because when we're talking about "bi" people, that too is a very female-skewing group. In keeping with our theme of girls and women tending to favor more neutral expressions, this applies to sexual identities as well. Girls and women have been significantly more likely than their male counterparts to consider themselves "bi", while men have been more a bit more apt to identify as gay than women have been to call themselves lesbians. My point is that we're talking about the same demographic here in both cases: girls and young women are the ones who in the last 15 years or so became far more likely to call themselves bi than in the past and likewise have been the driving force in the uptick in gender-queer identification, led heavily by newfound "non-binary" self-classifications. Let me suggest to you that these are the same girls and women. Basically "non-binary" is a subset of the bi trend that is now receding in the culture. As bi identification declines, so too does non-binary ID. The two things go hand-in-hand because they are closely related and very, <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">very</span> heavily overlapping in truth to the point of being close to synonymous.<br />
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The study linked above suggests that the aforementioned receding began after the pandemic lifted and people started being able to access therapy again and whatnot and the public's mental health in general began to notch discernible, statistically-measurable improvements. In other words, there is evidence of an perhaps causative connection between poor mental health and bi and non-binary identification in that, as mental health improves, these sexual and gender IDs become less common. Causation isn't firmly established here, but the correlation has to be taken as significant for sure. It certainly would help validate feminist arguments that gender identity is a social contagion, not a naturally occurring phenomenon unrelated to mental health or illness. But this would suggest the bisexual identification to some considerable extent may also be part of the same social contagion, which would be new territory for the consideration of modern feminists.<br />
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I specify "modern feminists" above because there was a time when women's liberationists may have been less surprised. In the 1970s and '80s, political lesbians would sometime argue against social acceptance of bisexual lifestyles on the grounds that they compromised the integrity of female separatism in a way that would lead to the dilution of our class consciousness. We know which side won that debate in the end, but the dissenters have well-documented the subsequent ascendancy of queer theory in academia, with its attendant normalization of trans politics. In other words, ideologically speaking, this can be considered a beast of multiculturalism; of the individualist ethos sweeping the women's movement as various legal reforms and victories were won and a certain bourgeoisification was achieved.<br />
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None of this is to suggest that there's no such thing as a genuine bi woman or that all bisexuality is false or fabricated in every case, but it does kinda dovetail with the well-known reality that very few so-called bi women bother to date other women (especially more than once). It does kinda seem like the immense majority of them are basically mentally-emotionally deeply pained and struggling heterosexual women with some very broad identity issues going on. The bulk today seem to be young, recent "converts" who really just latched onto the marriage equality movement strongly enough that they wanted to be gay or wanted the attention and public sympathy that seemed to be there for gay people in and around the height of the marriage equality movement, something like that, and so essentially found a way appropriate a gay identity without actually being, you know, gay. Now that they're in a better place in terms of mental health and it's no longer cool to be gay, they're increasingly straight again. The same is true of "trans" folks, but the non-binary group in particular. Same principal demos. It's noteworthy that, by contrast, the number of lesbians and gay men "has remained stable", i.e. seems unaffected by changes in the public's general mental well-being. Perhaps because that is a naturally occurring phenomenon.<br />
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The crisis of female identity I'm discussing that swept much of the globe, from the United States to Pakistan and all manner of places in-between, had exceptions though, and no they weren't all heavily agrarian societies with comparatively minimal internet access. The case of South Korea has long struck me as especially significant in this connection. Where here in the U.S., and much of the Western world, the 2010s were significantly defined by a marriage equality movement, in South Korea the young women experiencing this same crisis responded by instead <a href="https://www.feministcurrent.com/2018/09/06/south-koreas-take-off-corset-movement-inspire-feminists-everywhere-towards-radical-action/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">engaging in beauty resistance</a>. It looked like this:<br />
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The first image above is a before-and-after picture of a young Korean woman meant to promote her transformation from decorative male appendage to autonomous human being that she posted to social media. The second depicts a Korean woman's destroyed beauty products, also posted to social media. This was, in other words, not meant to promote the value of personal choice per se, but rather as prescriptive. These radical women concluded that the problem wasn't within them, but with society; that femininity was the problem, not their natural lack of it. The women of Womad, who led the charge, describe the sort of gender expression they promote as "androgyny" and believe it is the natural social expression of the psychologically liberated woman. A solution for all of us rather than distinct solutions for each of us.<br />
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The next question is why. Why did this happen in South Korea and not elsewhere? What circumstances caused so many young women there to respond differently to the modern female identity crisis? To highlight some of the backdrop pointed out by Hyejung Park, Jihye Kuk, and Caroline Norma in their article on the "take off the corset" movement linked above:<br />
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<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite>...In April [2018], <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">The Telegraph</span> <a href="https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/04/18/south-koreas-cosmetic-surgery-industry-faces-backlash-cultural/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">reported</a> on a growing movement against “cultural violence against women” in South Korea, which rose up in response to the fact that women in the nation were undergoing more plastic surgery than anywhere else in the world. Emanuel Pastreich, head of the Asia Institute, told Julian Ryall:<br />
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<span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">“Korean society has become completely distorted by this rush to undergo surgery and, speaking personally, I believe it is very sad that it has shifted to the point that women are seen merely as sex objects that have to undergo the scalpel to be perfect.”</span><br />
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This movement had success in November 2017 when Seoul Metro, which runs trains and buses in the world’s most populous city, <a href="https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2018/02/05/581765974/in-seoul-a-plastic-surgery-capital-residents-frown-on-ads-for-cosmetic-procedure" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">banned</a> cosmetic surgery ads in its stations.<br />
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Beauty practices are enforced more strictly for South Korean women than perhaps any female population on earth. Women’s ability to flourish and live autonomously, in a political, economic, and social context, is kept in check through intense pressure to get plastic surgery, to diet after graduation in order to compete in the job market, and to spend money on skin treatments, hair styling, and body hair removal treatments. Even for underage Korean girls the regime is fundamentalist: it’s hard to find a girl not wearing makeup by sixth grade, and some middle school uniforms for girls come with inner pockets for lip gloss. Female students in secondary schools are told not wearing makeup is socially impolite.<br />
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Under this regime, the beauty and personal care industries are extremely <a href="https://www.statista.com/statistics/550732/beauty-and-personal-care-market-size-south-korea/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">profitable</a>, and whole sectors of the economy are dominated by cosmetics, dieting, and fashion. One extreme plastic surgery procedure popularized by K-pop stars is called <a href="https://www.theverge.com/2018/4/6/17205718/plastic-surgery-apps-why-cosmetic-surgeons-insecurity" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">“V-line surgery,”</a> and involves shaving the jawline to create a V-shaped face. <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">The Verge </span>reports, “Technically called ‘corrective jaw surgery,’ it’s a procedure that requires the jaw to be wired shut for six weeks and can result in permanent numbness or death.” <br />
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The campaign began when young Korean women — calling themselves “beauty resisters” — began posting before-and-after selfies showing the results of throwing off beauty practices and images of destroyed beauty, cosmetic, and dieting products online. Others women joined in, discontinuing regimes of beauty in their personal lives as a strategy of political liberation for women as a whole. </blockquote>
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Men tend to prize superficiality in their partners even when their partners are male. Lesbian culture, to the extent that it exists autonomously from that of gay men, tends in the other direction, toward prizing naturalism more. It just goes to show how differently women often think when the parasites aren't in the equation.<br />
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The authors marvel at the Korean women's ability to resist such overwhelming cultural force, but it strikes me that the <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">particular</span> severity of the problem in South Korea <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">is precisely why</span> such a movement took root there and not elsewhere! Or at least one of the reasons. But anyway, the point is that queer politics seemed to be largely held at bay by the ascendancy of this movement. Women in South Korea are still broadly understood as a biological sex, not just a state of mind corresponding to male domination fantasies, and as much tells me that beauty culture lies at the very heart of the female identity crisis. The female identity crisis has taken root in response to the increasing severity of socially obligatory beauty regimens and demands for cosmetic surgeries in recent decades and can be most effectively combated by feminist movements of beauty resistance.<br />
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<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">Concluding Note:</span> I've broad-brushed somewhat in this commentary, leaving some subjects less central to the issue (such as butch lesbians and their relationship to gender ID) unaddressed. Sorry about that. Just wanted to get directly to the heart and soul of the female identity crisis here such as to clarify the basic solution.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Succinct Questions to Gauge Normie Openness to Pro-Feminist/Gender Abolitionist Ideas]]></title>
			<link>https://clovenhooves.org/showthread.php?tid=1678</link>
			<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2025 17:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[So, to make a long and not necessarily relevant story short: I have an evaluation system for talking to strangers. I am a weird, particular person with a weird, particular, and often highly objectionable worldview. My views on sex role stereotypes are obviously a huge part of this, so I try to find out what others think with a non-leading, more subtle/non-judgmental approach.<br />
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The questions currently in rotation are:<br />
"Gender identity is an essential human characteristic.<br />
Strongly agree&lt;---&gt;Strongly disagree"<br />
and<br />
"Homo sapiens can change sex.<br />
True/False/Unsure".<br />
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I like the second question alright, but sometimes I think people don’t really understand or haven’t thought much about the first to really respond in a way that reflects their actual beliefs.<br />
 So, a new question I've been playing around with is:<br />
"Masculinity and femininity...<br />
-Are essential human characteristics<br />
-Have been applied in rigid and imperfect ways, but are not inherently harmful ideas<br />
-Are offensive woo-woo"<br />
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I have a tactical disadvantage because I don’t want to belabor the point by asking too many questions on the same subject, but the gender issue has gotten so broad with so many moving goalposts it’s hard to know where to aim, even on a personal level. I find the acceptance of sex-role stereotypes equally offensive to science denialism, though picking one question over the other seems a bit like nailing the board down at one end only for it to spring up on the other re:filtering for traditionalists vs. libertines.<br />
I realise my situation may be too particular to be asking for viable advice, but maybe some of you have similar things rolling around in your heads and strategic ways to suss out if someone who might be “pro-trans” or “moderate-conservative” on paper but isn’t going to be totally anti-feminist in conversation. If you think about stuff like this, I’d like to hear your general thoughts.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[So, to make a long and not necessarily relevant story short: I have an evaluation system for talking to strangers. I am a weird, particular person with a weird, particular, and often highly objectionable worldview. My views on sex role stereotypes are obviously a huge part of this, so I try to find out what others think with a non-leading, more subtle/non-judgmental approach.<br />
<br />
The questions currently in rotation are:<br />
"Gender identity is an essential human characteristic.<br />
Strongly agree&lt;---&gt;Strongly disagree"<br />
and<br />
"Homo sapiens can change sex.<br />
True/False/Unsure".<br />
<br />
I like the second question alright, but sometimes I think people don’t really understand or haven’t thought much about the first to really respond in a way that reflects their actual beliefs.<br />
 So, a new question I've been playing around with is:<br />
"Masculinity and femininity...<br />
-Are essential human characteristics<br />
-Have been applied in rigid and imperfect ways, but are not inherently harmful ideas<br />
-Are offensive woo-woo"<br />
<br />
I have a tactical disadvantage because I don’t want to belabor the point by asking too many questions on the same subject, but the gender issue has gotten so broad with so many moving goalposts it’s hard to know where to aim, even on a personal level. I find the acceptance of sex-role stereotypes equally offensive to science denialism, though picking one question over the other seems a bit like nailing the board down at one end only for it to spring up on the other re:filtering for traditionalists vs. libertines.<br />
I realise my situation may be too particular to be asking for viable advice, but maybe some of you have similar things rolling around in your heads and strategic ways to suss out if someone who might be “pro-trans” or “moderate-conservative” on paper but isn’t going to be totally anti-feminist in conversation. If you think about stuff like this, I’d like to hear your general thoughts.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[The Growing Divide in the Rainbow Coalition]]></title>
			<link>https://clovenhooves.org/showthread.php?tid=1665</link>
			<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2025 21:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[The Wall Street Journal, October 31 2025<br />
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<a href="https://www.wsj.com/us-news/the-growing-divide-in-the-rainbow-coalition-1128015b" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://www.wsj.com/us-news/the-growing-divide-in-the-rainbow-coalition-1128015b</a><br />
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<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite>More gay people are speaking out against the gender ideology of trans and queer activists.</blockquote>
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<a href="https://vexxed.org/o/GenderCritical/6132/the-growing-divide-in-the-rainbow-coalition" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">Discussion on Vexxed.</a> (Also includes an archive link.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[The Wall Street Journal, October 31 2025<br />
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<a href="https://www.wsj.com/us-news/the-growing-divide-in-the-rainbow-coalition-1128015b" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://www.wsj.com/us-news/the-growing-divide-in-the-rainbow-coalition-1128015b</a><br />
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<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite>More gay people are speaking out against the gender ideology of trans and queer activists.</blockquote>
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<a href="https://vexxed.org/o/GenderCritical/6132/the-growing-divide-in-the-rainbow-coalition" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">Discussion on Vexxed.</a> (Also includes an archive link.)]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Actually, defining women is easy]]></title>
			<link>https://clovenhooves.org/showthread.php?tid=1663</link>
			<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2025 00:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Just saw yet another dumbass act stupid and pretend like they don't know what a woman so I want to give a very simple answer to this:<br />
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A woman (or more broadly female human) is anyone with female primary reproductive organs (the organs whose job it is to produce sex gametes and all the sexual differences resulting from that - "female organs" from now on). It doesn't matter if those female (!) organs are malfunctioning or less developed or if parts of them are missing. If you have these female organs, you are female. If you lack them and have male organs instead, you are male. If you developed female organs despite having XY chromosomes, you are female. If you amputated your female organs because you are female and you don't like being female, you are still female. If you amputated them because of cancer, you're female. If you have to artificially fight your female organs producing the female levels of hormones necessary to sustain your female biology and health, you're female. If this leads to your female organs atrophying because you're fucking with your healthy hormonal balance, you're still female. If you don't get your period or develop your breasts upon puberty because your female organs are not working properly, you're female. If you're in menopause because you have female organs, you're female. If you're a little child who has female organs but doesn't yet have breasts or the adult female skeletal structure and fat distribution, you're female.<br />
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Things that disqualify you from being female: having male primary reproductive organs. Having faulty or amputated or misdeveloped or atrophied male organs. Not producing or responding adequately to testosterone produced by your male organs. Having male organs while externally having a vulva (which is not a primary sexual organ since it is not involved in producing hormones or gametes).<br />
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Like, it's really as simple as that. You have the female organs whose whole point is in producing and sustaining female biology? You're female. Done. How are we even talking about this? How can so many people scratch their heads and claim science has no clue how sex works?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Just saw yet another dumbass act stupid and pretend like they don't know what a woman so I want to give a very simple answer to this:<br />
<br />
A woman (or more broadly female human) is anyone with female primary reproductive organs (the organs whose job it is to produce sex gametes and all the sexual differences resulting from that - "female organs" from now on). It doesn't matter if those female (!) organs are malfunctioning or less developed or if parts of them are missing. If you have these female organs, you are female. If you lack them and have male organs instead, you are male. If you developed female organs despite having XY chromosomes, you are female. If you amputated your female organs because you are female and you don't like being female, you are still female. If you amputated them because of cancer, you're female. If you have to artificially fight your female organs producing the female levels of hormones necessary to sustain your female biology and health, you're female. If this leads to your female organs atrophying because you're fucking with your healthy hormonal balance, you're still female. If you don't get your period or develop your breasts upon puberty because your female organs are not working properly, you're female. If you're in menopause because you have female organs, you're female. If you're a little child who has female organs but doesn't yet have breasts or the adult female skeletal structure and fat distribution, you're female.<br />
<br />
Things that disqualify you from being female: having male primary reproductive organs. Having faulty or amputated or misdeveloped or atrophied male organs. Not producing or responding adequately to testosterone produced by your male organs. Having male organs while externally having a vulva (which is not a primary sexual organ since it is not involved in producing hormones or gametes).<br />
<br />
<br />
Like, it's really as simple as that. You have the female organs whose whole point is in producing and sustaining female biology? You're female. Done. How are we even talking about this? How can so many people scratch their heads and claim science has no clue how sex works?]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Sourdough and submission in the name of God: How tradwife content fuses femininity with anti-feminist ideas]]></title>
			<link>https://clovenhooves.org/showthread.php?tid=1563</link>
			<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2025 17:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator><![CDATA[<a href="https://clovenhooves.org/member.php?action=profile&uid=147">Elsacat</a>]]></dc:creator>
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			<description><![CDATA[<a href="https://theconversation.com/sourdough-and-submission-in-the-name-of-god-how-tradwife-content-fuses-femininity-with-anti" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://theconversation.com/sourdough-and-submission-in-the-name-of-god-how-tradwife-content-fuses-femininity-with-anti</a>-<br />
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<a href="https://archive.ph/nrFJ6" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://archive.ph/nrFJ6</a><br />
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<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite>When people think about <a href="https://humanrights.ca/story/online-misogyny-manosphere" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">online misogyny</a>, they probably envision forums and video game chat rooms filled with young men using lewd language, promoting sexist stereotypes and longing for the good old days when women “knew” their place. Arguably the most popular <a href="https://doi.org/10.1080/09546553.2025.2463588" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">anti-feminist content</a> today, though, is produced by women: tradwives.</blockquote>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<a href="https://theconversation.com/sourdough-and-submission-in-the-name-of-god-how-tradwife-content-fuses-femininity-with-anti" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://theconversation.com/sourdough-and-submission-in-the-name-of-god-how-tradwife-content-fuses-femininity-with-anti</a>-<br />
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<a href="https://archive.ph/nrFJ6" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://archive.ph/nrFJ6</a><br />
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<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite>When people think about <a href="https://humanrights.ca/story/online-misogyny-manosphere" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">online misogyny</a>, they probably envision forums and video game chat rooms filled with young men using lewd language, promoting sexist stereotypes and longing for the good old days when women “knew” their place. Arguably the most popular <a href="https://doi.org/10.1080/09546553.2025.2463588" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">anti-feminist content</a> today, though, is produced by women: tradwives.</blockquote>
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			<title><![CDATA[Kirk assassination]]></title>
			<link>https://clovenhooves.org/showthread.php?tid=1548</link>
			<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2025 16:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[This whole thing feels like such a shitshow that I want to rant somewhere. The main reactions I'm seeing fall mainly into two camps:<br />
<br />
The "moderates" and stealth-conservative women on Vexxed trying to get other women to play the role of unpaid wailers for this piece of shit under the guise of "🥺empathy🥺" and "he was a human being" and "think of his poor family", while downplaying or straight up ignoring this guy's violent white male supremacist rhetoric, including the statement that innocent people, children even, getting shot is a fair price to pay for getting to keep Americans' precious guns. Welp, I guess he was ready to pay the price, no problem here 🤷‍♂️ The demands for women to "turn the other cheek" and perform emotional labour to their own detriment never end.<br />
Someone on Vexxed of all places (admittedly with a copious amount of "I think..." and "It seems to me..." softeners to avoid censorship and mod rage) also made <a href="https://vexxed.org/o/Women/4901/millions-of-gen-zers-don-t-feel-bad-about-charlie-kirk-s-murder-heres-why/badeeb81-6774-4e62-8f3f-81345b0812de#comment-badeeb81-6774-4e62-8f3f-81345b0812de" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">a really excellent comment</a> about the idiot women pretending like the attack on this man is some kind of an affront on their own personal freedom of speech. tl;dr feminist women never enjoyed any kind of respect, let alone deification from either side after being cancelled and attacked. It's the same with GC as well - conservative men who get cancelled for saying there are only two genders and get a whole army of defenders have nothing to do with the women who advocate for basic women's protections and get shat on by both sides.<br />
<a href="https://vexxed.org/o/Women/4901/millions-of-gen-zers-don-t-feel-bad-about-charlie-kirk-s-murder-heres-why/7504dd25-3e59-4604-961b-be296dbc5523#comment-7504dd25-3e59-4604-961b-be296dbc5523" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">Another excellent comment</a> by the same person about the massive double standards of conservatives who demand endless self-flagellation the moment a nutcase turns out not to be a fellow conservative for a change, and also the lack of any concern or even an attempt to feign it when the political assasination strikes the opposing groups, or when the victimised person is an Untermensch. Conservatives are used to saying all kinds of vile shit with no pushback and this feels unfair to them.<br />
<br />
The other side is liberals loudly celebrating that this piece of shit is dead and not caring about the horrible precedent set by how he died. If this guy dropped dead after choking on a carrot, I would happily piss on his grave, but killing people for their opinions should never be normalised, let alone celebrated, and I can't believe how many people don't understand this simple concept, or think you need to make yourself like and cry for whoever got killed in order to take issue with it.<br />
<br />
Furthermore, especially with these brainless conservative reactionary and violent groups, you achieve literally nothing by violently removing a conservative figurehead. Another will take its place soon because there is no shortage or regressive men spreading the gospel of the patriarchy. And violent men who go out and blow people's brains out are no some deep thinkers and freedom fighters, they're usually just another brand of patriarchal male, except pissed off for getting the short end of the stick in their male hierarchy, and their means of revenge happened to superficially coincide with liberal values. That's why it's so often the case that these guys who did the murdering hold equally regressive views in most other areas and can't be neatly categorised as progressive the way that conservatives can.<br />
<br />
I would not put it past this administration to fake this whole thing but at the same time, edgy and violent rhetoric is SO common in TIM-dominated spaces that I also wouldn't be surprised if that played a part. Vexxed is trying to turn Kirk into a martyr and the shooter's TIM boyfriend into a villain. Certainly TIM infested spaces, especially of the more 4chan variety, tend to promote very violent rhetoric, and ofc only towards anti-trans sentiments, not misogyny itself. You'd think misogyny would at least be on their radar, given their claims of being women, but welp. I've also seen trans people claim the shooter might've been a TIF, which...LMAO. TIFs may have been involved in a couple of shootings, but I could never in a million years imagine a TIF turning on a man, and it's completely irrelevant if that man is speaking against her own rights. TIFs like that know their place and know that it is not their place to demand equality. Hell, they're the first in line to be MRA attack dogs because they think this will net them their OneOfTheBoys card. Relating to and defending men is how these women fuel their androcentric identity. TIMs are the ones who couldn't give less of a shit about the women that they're supposedly identifying with, so they're the ones who'll go apeshit over "trans genocide" while shrugging at millions of women being beaten and murdered. Even so, a lot of people seem to be jumping on the TIM being the real villain and mastermind with no evidence for it, almost like trying to get the poor normie guy who actually did it off the hook, which is a common pattern in GC spaces.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[This whole thing feels like such a shitshow that I want to rant somewhere. The main reactions I'm seeing fall mainly into two camps:<br />
<br />
The "moderates" and stealth-conservative women on Vexxed trying to get other women to play the role of unpaid wailers for this piece of shit under the guise of "🥺empathy🥺" and "he was a human being" and "think of his poor family", while downplaying or straight up ignoring this guy's violent white male supremacist rhetoric, including the statement that innocent people, children even, getting shot is a fair price to pay for getting to keep Americans' precious guns. Welp, I guess he was ready to pay the price, no problem here 🤷‍♂️ The demands for women to "turn the other cheek" and perform emotional labour to their own detriment never end.<br />
Someone on Vexxed of all places (admittedly with a copious amount of "I think..." and "It seems to me..." softeners to avoid censorship and mod rage) also made <a href="https://vexxed.org/o/Women/4901/millions-of-gen-zers-don-t-feel-bad-about-charlie-kirk-s-murder-heres-why/badeeb81-6774-4e62-8f3f-81345b0812de#comment-badeeb81-6774-4e62-8f3f-81345b0812de" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">a really excellent comment</a> about the idiot women pretending like the attack on this man is some kind of an affront on their own personal freedom of speech. tl;dr feminist women never enjoyed any kind of respect, let alone deification from either side after being cancelled and attacked. It's the same with GC as well - conservative men who get cancelled for saying there are only two genders and get a whole army of defenders have nothing to do with the women who advocate for basic women's protections and get shat on by both sides.<br />
<a href="https://vexxed.org/o/Women/4901/millions-of-gen-zers-don-t-feel-bad-about-charlie-kirk-s-murder-heres-why/7504dd25-3e59-4604-961b-be296dbc5523#comment-7504dd25-3e59-4604-961b-be296dbc5523" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">Another excellent comment</a> by the same person about the massive double standards of conservatives who demand endless self-flagellation the moment a nutcase turns out not to be a fellow conservative for a change, and also the lack of any concern or even an attempt to feign it when the political assasination strikes the opposing groups, or when the victimised person is an Untermensch. Conservatives are used to saying all kinds of vile shit with no pushback and this feels unfair to them.<br />
<br />
The other side is liberals loudly celebrating that this piece of shit is dead and not caring about the horrible precedent set by how he died. If this guy dropped dead after choking on a carrot, I would happily piss on his grave, but killing people for their opinions should never be normalised, let alone celebrated, and I can't believe how many people don't understand this simple concept, or think you need to make yourself like and cry for whoever got killed in order to take issue with it.<br />
<br />
Furthermore, especially with these brainless conservative reactionary and violent groups, you achieve literally nothing by violently removing a conservative figurehead. Another will take its place soon because there is no shortage or regressive men spreading the gospel of the patriarchy. And violent men who go out and blow people's brains out are no some deep thinkers and freedom fighters, they're usually just another brand of patriarchal male, except pissed off for getting the short end of the stick in their male hierarchy, and their means of revenge happened to superficially coincide with liberal values. That's why it's so often the case that these guys who did the murdering hold equally regressive views in most other areas and can't be neatly categorised as progressive the way that conservatives can.<br />
<br />
I would not put it past this administration to fake this whole thing but at the same time, edgy and violent rhetoric is SO common in TIM-dominated spaces that I also wouldn't be surprised if that played a part. Vexxed is trying to turn Kirk into a martyr and the shooter's TIM boyfriend into a villain. Certainly TIM infested spaces, especially of the more 4chan variety, tend to promote very violent rhetoric, and ofc only towards anti-trans sentiments, not misogyny itself. You'd think misogyny would at least be on their radar, given their claims of being women, but welp. I've also seen trans people claim the shooter might've been a TIF, which...LMAO. TIFs may have been involved in a couple of shootings, but I could never in a million years imagine a TIF turning on a man, and it's completely irrelevant if that man is speaking against her own rights. TIFs like that know their place and know that it is not their place to demand equality. Hell, they're the first in line to be MRA attack dogs because they think this will net them their OneOfTheBoys card. Relating to and defending men is how these women fuel their androcentric identity. TIMs are the ones who couldn't give less of a shit about the women that they're supposedly identifying with, so they're the ones who'll go apeshit over "trans genocide" while shrugging at millions of women being beaten and murdered. Even so, a lot of people seem to be jumping on the TIM being the real villain and mastermind with no evidence for it, almost like trying to get the poor normie guy who actually did it off the hook, which is a common pattern in GC spaces.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Call For Writer Submissions: Black Women Speak on Gender Ideology]]></title>
			<link>https://clovenhooves.org/showthread.php?tid=1540</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2025 21:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Paid Writing Opportunity for 'Gender-Critical' Black Women:<br />
<a href="https://blog.n3vlynnn.com/p/call-for-writer-submissions-black" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://blog.n3vlynnn.com/p/call-for-writer-submissions-black</a><br />
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<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite>I am inviting submissions from black women to share personal stories, essays, visual art, and poetry on the subject of the modern transgender movement and its impact on our lives and wellbeing.<br />
This anthology focuses on <span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">counterculture</span> perspectives that would normally be silenced, censored, or considered controversial.</blockquote>
<br />
<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite>Writers &amp; Artists who are selected to be published in the anthology will receive compensation of <span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">&#36;50</span> and a copy of the book upon release. </blockquote>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Paid Writing Opportunity for 'Gender-Critical' Black Women:<br />
<a href="https://blog.n3vlynnn.com/p/call-for-writer-submissions-black" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://blog.n3vlynnn.com/p/call-for-writer-submissions-black</a><br />
<br />
<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite>I am inviting submissions from black women to share personal stories, essays, visual art, and poetry on the subject of the modern transgender movement and its impact on our lives and wellbeing.<br />
This anthology focuses on <span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">counterculture</span> perspectives that would normally be silenced, censored, or considered controversial.</blockquote>
<br />
<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite>Writers &amp; Artists who are selected to be published in the anthology will receive compensation of <span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">&#36;50</span> and a copy of the book upon release. </blockquote>
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			<title><![CDATA[Chris Columbus doesn’t understand why he disagrees with JK Rowling]]></title>
			<link>https://clovenhooves.org/showthread.php?tid=1506</link>
			<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2025 21:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[UnHerd, September 2 2025.<br />
<br />
<a href="https://unherd.com/newsroom/chris-columbus-doesnt-understand-why-he-disagrees-with-jk-rowling/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://unherd.com/newsroom/chris-columbus-doesnt-understand-why-he-disagrees-with-jk-rowling/</a><br />
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<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite>Chris Columbus, who directed two of the Harry Potter films, wants you to know he doesn’t agree with J.K. Rowling on trans issues. Which trans issues, one may ask? Indeed, Rowling has asked this herself. Is Columbus desperate to keep male rapists in women’s prisons? Does he hate thinking of lesbians never experiencing the joys of the male penis? Is he a fan of breast binders and mastectomies for traumatised teenage girls?<br />
<br />
Well, he’s not going to say. He just wants everyone to know that Rowling’s questioning of all of these things and more makes him “really sad”.<br />
<br />
In fairness, Columbus is only one of a long list of people with professional links to Rowling — including Daniel Radcliffe, Emma Watson and Stephen Fry — who keep declaring how much they disagree with her without ever stating why. They might produce some waffle about kindness, but at no point do they explain why their position should be considered the kind one.<br />
<br />
This is a common feature of the “trans debate”. Even Judith Butler, supposed high priestess of gender wisdom, can’t muster a single argument against the women she denounces as Terfs. The entirety of her attack on British feminism in her 2024 book Who’s Afraid of Gender? amounts to smearing feminists as Right-wing, misunderstanding the concept of biological essentialism, and not showing any signs of having read a gender-critical text to the end. Then again, she doesn’t have to. After all, she’s on the “right” side.<br />
<br />
How did it come to this? Columbus et al. aren’t necessarily stupid — that the feminist case against gender self-ID is distinct from the conservative one is hardly difficult to grasp. Both trans activists and their Right-wing opponents are happy to define women using regressive stereotypes; they merely disagree on whether a regressive stereotype should be born with a vagina. Yet rather than engage with women such as Rowling, who rejects both positions in favour of centring female subjectivity, many in the arts and academia have chosen to pretend the feminist position simply does not exist.<br />
<br />
The double standard is staggering. One thing that the past decade’s “gender wars” have thrown into sharp relief is the difference between those who get their views by thinking through an issue and making a choice, and those who simply self-ID into being a member of Team Progressive. From a distance, if you didn’t think very hard about it, trans activism could look a bit like the fight for gay liberation. After all, it seemed to annoy the very people who’d get annoyed about the latter. It’s therefore incredibly ironic that so many people who claim to want an end to binaries have found themselves supporting a misogynistic, homophobic movement because they can’t conceive of there being more than two sides.<br />
<br />
It is much easier to don a “Protect the dolls” t-shirt than to answer any of the following questions: what’s the difference between a trans woman and a man who says he’s a woman? How do you conflate sex and gender without reinforcing sexism? How is gender diversity promoted by telling gender non-conforming children they’re actually the opposite sex?</blockquote>
<br />
<a href="https://vexxed.org/o/GenderCritical/4501/chris-columbus-doesnt-understand-why-he-disagrees-with-jk-rowling-victoria-smith" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">Discussion on Vexxed.</a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[UnHerd, September 2 2025.<br />
<br />
<a href="https://unherd.com/newsroom/chris-columbus-doesnt-understand-why-he-disagrees-with-jk-rowling/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://unherd.com/newsroom/chris-columbus-doesnt-understand-why-he-disagrees-with-jk-rowling/</a><br />
<br />
<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite>Chris Columbus, who directed two of the Harry Potter films, wants you to know he doesn’t agree with J.K. Rowling on trans issues. Which trans issues, one may ask? Indeed, Rowling has asked this herself. Is Columbus desperate to keep male rapists in women’s prisons? Does he hate thinking of lesbians never experiencing the joys of the male penis? Is he a fan of breast binders and mastectomies for traumatised teenage girls?<br />
<br />
Well, he’s not going to say. He just wants everyone to know that Rowling’s questioning of all of these things and more makes him “really sad”.<br />
<br />
In fairness, Columbus is only one of a long list of people with professional links to Rowling — including Daniel Radcliffe, Emma Watson and Stephen Fry — who keep declaring how much they disagree with her without ever stating why. They might produce some waffle about kindness, but at no point do they explain why their position should be considered the kind one.<br />
<br />
This is a common feature of the “trans debate”. Even Judith Butler, supposed high priestess of gender wisdom, can’t muster a single argument against the women she denounces as Terfs. The entirety of her attack on British feminism in her 2024 book Who’s Afraid of Gender? amounts to smearing feminists as Right-wing, misunderstanding the concept of biological essentialism, and not showing any signs of having read a gender-critical text to the end. Then again, she doesn’t have to. After all, she’s on the “right” side.<br />
<br />
How did it come to this? Columbus et al. aren’t necessarily stupid — that the feminist case against gender self-ID is distinct from the conservative one is hardly difficult to grasp. Both trans activists and their Right-wing opponents are happy to define women using regressive stereotypes; they merely disagree on whether a regressive stereotype should be born with a vagina. Yet rather than engage with women such as Rowling, who rejects both positions in favour of centring female subjectivity, many in the arts and academia have chosen to pretend the feminist position simply does not exist.<br />
<br />
The double standard is staggering. One thing that the past decade’s “gender wars” have thrown into sharp relief is the difference between those who get their views by thinking through an issue and making a choice, and those who simply self-ID into being a member of Team Progressive. From a distance, if you didn’t think very hard about it, trans activism could look a bit like the fight for gay liberation. After all, it seemed to annoy the very people who’d get annoyed about the latter. It’s therefore incredibly ironic that so many people who claim to want an end to binaries have found themselves supporting a misogynistic, homophobic movement because they can’t conceive of there being more than two sides.<br />
<br />
It is much easier to don a “Protect the dolls” t-shirt than to answer any of the following questions: what’s the difference between a trans woman and a man who says he’s a woman? How do you conflate sex and gender without reinforcing sexism? How is gender diversity promoted by telling gender non-conforming children they’re actually the opposite sex?</blockquote>
<br />
<a href="https://vexxed.org/o/GenderCritical/4501/chris-columbus-doesnt-understand-why-he-disagrees-with-jk-rowling-victoria-smith" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">Discussion on Vexxed.</a>]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Father Ted creator Graham Linehan arrested at Heathrow for ‘anti-trans posts’]]></title>
			<link>https://clovenhooves.org/showthread.php?tid=1505</link>
			<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2025 17:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[The Standard, September 2 2025.<br />
<br />
<a href="https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/met-police-father-ted-heathrow-anti-trans-posts-x-graham-linehan-b1245573.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/met-police-father-ted-heathrow-anti-trans-posts-x-graham-linehan-b1245573.html</a><br />
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<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite>Father Ted co-creator Graham Linehan has been arrested at Heathrow on suspicion of inciting violence over a series of gender-critical posts on the X social media platform.<br />
<br />
The Irish comedy writer, 57, alleges that he was detained by five armed officers immediately after he stepped off the plane from Arizona.<br />
<br />
Bafta-winning Linehan claimed online after being escorted to a private area, officers informed him he had been held “for three tweets”.<br />
<br />
Several high-profile figures condemned the arrest, with Author JK Rowling labelling it “utterly deplorable” and Elon Musk descrbing the UK as a “police state”.<br />
<br />
The Metropolitan Police said: “On Monday, September 1 at 1pm officers arrested a man at Heathrow Airport after he arrived on an inbound American Airlines flight.<br />
<br />
“The man in his 50s was arrested on suspicion of inciting violence. This is in relation to posts on X.<br />
<br />
“After being taken to police custody, officers became concerned for his health and he was taken to hospital.<br />
<br />
“His condition is neither life-threatening nor life-changing.<br />
<br />
“He has now been bailed pending further investigation.”</blockquote>
<br />
<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite>One of Linehan’s posts on X from April 20 said: “If a trans-identified male is in a female-only space, he is committing a violent, abusive act. Make a scene, call the cops and if all else fails, punch him in the balls.”<br />
<br />
A second tweet, on April 19, was a picture of a trans rally with the caption: “A photo you can smell.” <br />
<br />
The third was a follow up to this tweet which said: “I hate them. Misogynists and homophobes. F*** em.”</blockquote>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[The Standard, September 2 2025.<br />
<br />
<a href="https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/met-police-father-ted-heathrow-anti-trans-posts-x-graham-linehan-b1245573.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/met-police-father-ted-heathrow-anti-trans-posts-x-graham-linehan-b1245573.html</a><br />
<br />
<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite>Father Ted co-creator Graham Linehan has been arrested at Heathrow on suspicion of inciting violence over a series of gender-critical posts on the X social media platform.<br />
<br />
The Irish comedy writer, 57, alleges that he was detained by five armed officers immediately after he stepped off the plane from Arizona.<br />
<br />
Bafta-winning Linehan claimed online after being escorted to a private area, officers informed him he had been held “for three tweets”.<br />
<br />
Several high-profile figures condemned the arrest, with Author JK Rowling labelling it “utterly deplorable” and Elon Musk descrbing the UK as a “police state”.<br />
<br />
The Metropolitan Police said: “On Monday, September 1 at 1pm officers arrested a man at Heathrow Airport after he arrived on an inbound American Airlines flight.<br />
<br />
“The man in his 50s was arrested on suspicion of inciting violence. This is in relation to posts on X.<br />
<br />
“After being taken to police custody, officers became concerned for his health and he was taken to hospital.<br />
<br />
“His condition is neither life-threatening nor life-changing.<br />
<br />
“He has now been bailed pending further investigation.”</blockquote>
<br />
<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite>One of Linehan’s posts on X from April 20 said: “If a trans-identified male is in a female-only space, he is committing a violent, abusive act. Make a scene, call the cops and if all else fails, punch him in the balls.”<br />
<br />
A second tweet, on April 19, was a picture of a trans rally with the caption: “A photo you can smell.” <br />
<br />
The third was a follow up to this tweet which said: “I hate them. Misogynists and homophobes. F*** em.”</blockquote>
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			<title><![CDATA[Minnesota teen says server forced her to prove her gender in restaurant bathroom]]></title>
			<link>https://clovenhooves.org/showthread.php?tid=1469</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2025 01:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[NBC News, August 12 2025<br />
<br />
<a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/minnesota-teen-says-server-forced-prove-gender-restaurant-bathroom-rcna224562" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/minnesota-teen-says-server-forced-prove-gender-restaurant-bathroom-rcna224562</a><br />
<br />
<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite>A Minnesota teenager filed a charge of discrimination against a Buffalo Wild Wings restaurant Tuesday, alleging a server followed her into the women’s restroom and demanded she “prove” she was a girl.<br />
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Gerika Mudra, 18, went to dinner in April with a friend in Owatonna, about an hour south of Minneapolis. When she went to the restroom, a server followed her inside and banged on the stall door while saying: “This is a women’s restroom. The man needs to get out of here,” according to Gender Justice, a Minnesota gender-equality organization that filed the charge on Mudra’s behalf.<br />
<br />
Mudra, a biracial lesbian who isn’t transgender, said that she has been in similar situations before, when people have suggested she’s in the wrong restroom, but tat when she tells them she’s a woman they leave her alone. However, when she came out of the stall at Buffalo Wild Wings and told the server, “I am a lady,” she said, the server responded, “You have to get out now,” Gender Justice said in a statement. <br />
<br />
Mudra said she felt she had to prove to the server that she is a woman, so she unzipped her hoodie to show she has breasts. The server didn’t say anything in response but left the restroom, Mudra said.<br />
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“She made me feel very uncomfortable,” Mudra said. “After that, I just don’t like going in public bathrooms. I just hold it in. ... I want to be able to use the bathroom in peace.”</blockquote>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[NBC News, August 12 2025<br />
<br />
<a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/minnesota-teen-says-server-forced-prove-gender-restaurant-bathroom-rcna224562" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/minnesota-teen-says-server-forced-prove-gender-restaurant-bathroom-rcna224562</a><br />
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<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite>A Minnesota teenager filed a charge of discrimination against a Buffalo Wild Wings restaurant Tuesday, alleging a server followed her into the women’s restroom and demanded she “prove” she was a girl.<br />
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Gerika Mudra, 18, went to dinner in April with a friend in Owatonna, about an hour south of Minneapolis. When she went to the restroom, a server followed her inside and banged on the stall door while saying: “This is a women’s restroom. The man needs to get out of here,” according to Gender Justice, a Minnesota gender-equality organization that filed the charge on Mudra’s behalf.<br />
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Mudra, a biracial lesbian who isn’t transgender, said that she has been in similar situations before, when people have suggested she’s in the wrong restroom, but tat when she tells them she’s a woman they leave her alone. However, when she came out of the stall at Buffalo Wild Wings and told the server, “I am a lady,” she said, the server responded, “You have to get out now,” Gender Justice said in a statement. <br />
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Mudra said she felt she had to prove to the server that she is a woman, so she unzipped her hoodie to show she has breasts. The server didn’t say anything in response but left the restroom, Mudra said.<br />
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“She made me feel very uncomfortable,” Mudra said. “After that, I just don’t like going in public bathrooms. I just hold it in. ... I want to be able to use the bathroom in peace.”</blockquote>
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			<title><![CDATA[Case report of 3-year-old girl developing precocious puberty due to interactions with her TIM father's topical estrogen]]></title>
			<link>https://clovenhooves.org/showthread.php?tid=1390</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2025 17:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator><![CDATA[<a href="https://clovenhooves.org/member.php?action=profile&uid=6">Clover</a>]]></dc:creator>
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			<description><![CDATA[Found on Vexxed: <a href="https://vexxed.org/o/GenderCritical/3012/peripheral-precocious-puberty-due-to-exogenous-estradiol-in-a-3-year-old-girl-a" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://vexxed.org/o/GenderCritical/3012/peripheral-precocious-puberty-due-to-exogenous-estradiol-in-a-3-year-old-girl-a</a><br />
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<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Peripheral Precocious Puberty due to Exogenous Estradiol in a 3-Year-Old Girl: A Case Report, European Society for Paediatric Endocrinology </cite><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">Introduction:</span> Transdermal estrogen replacement therapy in girls with hypogonadism is well known for induction of the puberty. Sexual development due to exogenous exposure for sex steroids in food, environment or medication is known, but is rare and sparsely reported. We present a case of peripheral precocious puberty in a 3-year-old girl due to inadvertent exposure to an estradiol gel used by her father as gender affirming hormone therapy (GAHT).<br />
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<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">Case description:</span> A 3-year-old girl was referred to our pediatric outpatient clinic with breast development and vaginal discharge over a period of 6 months. The GAHT of her transgender father was estradiol spray 6.12 mg applied to both forearms daily. After 6 months this was changed to estradiol gel 3.75 mg daily for 7 months. The gel was manually applied to the chest, abdomen, shoulders, and thighs. The father reported skin to skin contact on a daily basis. A physical examination of the girl revealed a Tanner stage III for breast and Tanner stage I for pubic hair development. Height was 108.1 cm (+3,2 SD), weight 19.7 kg (+0,54 SD) and bone age advanced to 6.9 years (Greulich and Pyle). Pelvic ultrasound demonstrated increased size for age of both uterus and endometrium corresponding to Tanner stage III-IV. Estradiol was 0.04 nmol/l and GnRH stimulation test revealed a peak LH of 2.0 IU/l with a LH/FSH ratio of 0.77. MRI of the pituitary gland was normal. These clinical, radiologic and laboratory findings were consistent with a diagnosis of peripheral precocious puberty due to exogenous estradiol. The hormone therapy of the father was changed from a gel to a transdermal patch, and the girl experienced regression of breast development, normalization of growth velocity, pelvic ultrasound and GnRH stimulation test.<br />
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<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">Conclusions:</span> Exposure to exogenous estradiol can lead to precocious puberty in prepubertal girls. Transgender persons should be thoroughly informed of the risk of transmission of transdermal hormones and be advised to wash hands, use gloves and avoid skin contact shortly after hormone application. Patients with children must be warned of the risk and Gender Clinics should consider the possibility of prescribing alternative routes of administration such as tablets or patches in high-risk patients.</blockquote><br />
<a href="https://abstracts.eurospe.org/hrp/0097/hrp0097p2-91" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://abstracts.eurospe.org/hrp/0097/hrp0097p2-91</a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Found on Vexxed: <a href="https://vexxed.org/o/GenderCritical/3012/peripheral-precocious-puberty-due-to-exogenous-estradiol-in-a-3-year-old-girl-a" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://vexxed.org/o/GenderCritical/3012/peripheral-precocious-puberty-due-to-exogenous-estradiol-in-a-3-year-old-girl-a</a><br />
<br />
<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Peripheral Precocious Puberty due to Exogenous Estradiol in a 3-Year-Old Girl: A Case Report, European Society for Paediatric Endocrinology </cite><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">Introduction:</span> Transdermal estrogen replacement therapy in girls with hypogonadism is well known for induction of the puberty. Sexual development due to exogenous exposure for sex steroids in food, environment or medication is known, but is rare and sparsely reported. We present a case of peripheral precocious puberty in a 3-year-old girl due to inadvertent exposure to an estradiol gel used by her father as gender affirming hormone therapy (GAHT).<br />
<br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">Case description:</span> A 3-year-old girl was referred to our pediatric outpatient clinic with breast development and vaginal discharge over a period of 6 months. The GAHT of her transgender father was estradiol spray 6.12 mg applied to both forearms daily. After 6 months this was changed to estradiol gel 3.75 mg daily for 7 months. The gel was manually applied to the chest, abdomen, shoulders, and thighs. The father reported skin to skin contact on a daily basis. A physical examination of the girl revealed a Tanner stage III for breast and Tanner stage I for pubic hair development. Height was 108.1 cm (+3,2 SD), weight 19.7 kg (+0,54 SD) and bone age advanced to 6.9 years (Greulich and Pyle). Pelvic ultrasound demonstrated increased size for age of both uterus and endometrium corresponding to Tanner stage III-IV. Estradiol was 0.04 nmol/l and GnRH stimulation test revealed a peak LH of 2.0 IU/l with a LH/FSH ratio of 0.77. MRI of the pituitary gland was normal. These clinical, radiologic and laboratory findings were consistent with a diagnosis of peripheral precocious puberty due to exogenous estradiol. The hormone therapy of the father was changed from a gel to a transdermal patch, and the girl experienced regression of breast development, normalization of growth velocity, pelvic ultrasound and GnRH stimulation test.<br />
<br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">Conclusions:</span> Exposure to exogenous estradiol can lead to precocious puberty in prepubertal girls. Transgender persons should be thoroughly informed of the risk of transmission of transdermal hormones and be advised to wash hands, use gloves and avoid skin contact shortly after hormone application. Patients with children must be warned of the risk and Gender Clinics should consider the possibility of prescribing alternative routes of administration such as tablets or patches in high-risk patients.</blockquote><br />
<a href="https://abstracts.eurospe.org/hrp/0097/hrp0097p2-91" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://abstracts.eurospe.org/hrp/0097/hrp0097p2-91</a>]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[TIF drama on r/trans]]></title>
			<link>https://clovenhooves.org/showthread.php?tid=1375</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2025 03:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator><![CDATA[<a href="https://clovenhooves.org/member.php?action=profile&uid=79">YesYourNigel</a>]]></dc:creator>
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			<description><![CDATA[There's drama on r/trans where a woman posted <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/trans/comments/1lskh50/raising_awareness_on_trans_mascmens_issues/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">the most milquetoast post imaginable</a> about TIF struggles. It was super apologetic that of COURSE women don't suffer more than men and she'd never dream of implying that TIMs aren't super duper oppressed...but you know, TIFs have their own unique struggles that no-one talks about, like suffering more sexual assault than men because they're women (which is an example of transphobia, ofc) and the fact that an roll of arm skin over one's genitals isn't seen as a real penis the way that a vagina and vulva are easily appropriated by an empty hole in the groin (which is also transphobia, ofc) and the worst injustice: experiencing misogyny meant for all those other pink-souled bimbos who surely like it and not ME, a boysouled boy who's #NotLikeOtherGirls. Now, we have no clue whatsoever why all these different genders that all happen to be AFAB might be experiencing consistent, systematic oppression that is absolutely identical to misogyny (but isn't because we're ofc #NotLikeOtherGirls and TIMs would nevereverever act like men, you TERF) at the hands of all those different genders that happen to be AMAB, and we would never EVER imply that it's due to the sexist behaviour of the male members of the movement...we just want to TaLk about it!<br />
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Post apparently got locked for "bitching" (literally that word) and being "divisive" by a TIM mod lmao! This apparently proves even more that this mystical form of oppression of TIFs from mysterious unknowable forces needs to be talked about! Don't think about the only commonality these people have and how they match centuries of the exact same thing happening, this is very special and unique and isolated random cases against a "minority" for being "different". Don't think about it further than that!<br />
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TIFs are so desperately trying to describe the misogyny they experience within a trans framework, and consistently failing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[There's drama on r/trans where a woman posted <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/trans/comments/1lskh50/raising_awareness_on_trans_mascmens_issues/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">the most milquetoast post imaginable</a> about TIF struggles. It was super apologetic that of COURSE women don't suffer more than men and she'd never dream of implying that TIMs aren't super duper oppressed...but you know, TIFs have their own unique struggles that no-one talks about, like suffering more sexual assault than men because they're women (which is an example of transphobia, ofc) and the fact that an roll of arm skin over one's genitals isn't seen as a real penis the way that a vagina and vulva are easily appropriated by an empty hole in the groin (which is also transphobia, ofc) and the worst injustice: experiencing misogyny meant for all those other pink-souled bimbos who surely like it and not ME, a boysouled boy who's #NotLikeOtherGirls. Now, we have no clue whatsoever why all these different genders that all happen to be AFAB might be experiencing consistent, systematic oppression that is absolutely identical to misogyny (but isn't because we're ofc #NotLikeOtherGirls and TIMs would nevereverever act like men, you TERF) at the hands of all those different genders that happen to be AMAB, and we would never EVER imply that it's due to the sexist behaviour of the male members of the movement...we just want to TaLk about it!<br />
<br />
Post apparently got locked for "bitching" (literally that word) and being "divisive" by a TIM mod lmao! This apparently proves even more that this mystical form of oppression of TIFs from mysterious unknowable forces needs to be talked about! Don't think about the only commonality these people have and how they match centuries of the exact same thing happening, this is very special and unique and isolated random cases against a "minority" for being "different". Don't think about it further than that!<br />
<br />
TIFs are so desperately trying to describe the misogyny they experience within a trans framework, and consistently failing.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[How the Transgender Rights Movement Bet on the Supreme Court and Lost]]></title>
			<link>https://clovenhooves.org/showthread.php?tid=1290</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2025 03:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator><![CDATA[<a href="https://clovenhooves.org/member.php?action=profile&uid=344">MenacinglyLavender</a>]]></dc:creator>
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			<description><![CDATA[<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/19/magazine/scotus-transgender-care-tennessee-skrmetti.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">NYT Article</a><br />
<a href="https://archive.is/20250619131827/https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/19/magazine/scotus-transgender-care-tennessee-skrmetti.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">Archive</a><br />
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<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite>Others, however, saw the Skrmetti case as a tragic gamble built on flawed politics and uncertain science. Over the last decade, they told me, the movement was consumed by theories of sex and gender that most voters didn’t grasp or support, radicalizing its politics just as the culture wars reignited and the Supreme Court began moving further right. And as Skrmetti and other lawsuits made their way through federal courts, some of the central medical claims girding the legal case for pediatric gender treatments — that decades of thorough study had found them to be safe and effective — began to unravel amid growing scrutiny by other doctors and experts.<br />
<br />
Last summer, thousands of emails and other documents released in a case challenging Alabama’s ban raised further questions about medical standards at the heart of the A.C.L.U.’s lawsuit against Tennessee. “This case exposes a lot of ethical problems in the practice of medicine,” a law professor with expertise in sex-discrimination law told me, speaking on the condition of anonymity for fear of blowback from students and colleagues. “For Skrmetti to be the next step in a progress narrative — an incrementalist would say, This is way far from where we ought to be.”<br />
<br />
Along the road to Skrmetti, some believe, the L.G.B.T.Q. movement drove itself toward a cliff — and took the Democratic Party with it, chaining the Biden administration to one of the most divisive issues in American politics at a moment of shifting medical consensus and fierce polarization. </blockquote>
<br />
Warning that this article is LONG. But super informative, and goes in depth over the many errors the trans rights movement has made over the years - and how they’re now reaping the consequences. I thought it was balanced (definitely more so than NYT’s “The Protocol” podcast, though that is also worth a listen) and thorough, however I maintain the complaint that the NYT once again did not touch the fact that most dysphoric children are same-sex attracted.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/19/magazine/scotus-transgender-care-tennessee-skrmetti.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">NYT Article</a><br />
<a href="https://archive.is/20250619131827/https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/19/magazine/scotus-transgender-care-tennessee-skrmetti.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">Archive</a><br />
<br />
<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite>Others, however, saw the Skrmetti case as a tragic gamble built on flawed politics and uncertain science. Over the last decade, they told me, the movement was consumed by theories of sex and gender that most voters didn’t grasp or support, radicalizing its politics just as the culture wars reignited and the Supreme Court began moving further right. And as Skrmetti and other lawsuits made their way through federal courts, some of the central medical claims girding the legal case for pediatric gender treatments — that decades of thorough study had found them to be safe and effective — began to unravel amid growing scrutiny by other doctors and experts.<br />
<br />
Last summer, thousands of emails and other documents released in a case challenging Alabama’s ban raised further questions about medical standards at the heart of the A.C.L.U.’s lawsuit against Tennessee. “This case exposes a lot of ethical problems in the practice of medicine,” a law professor with expertise in sex-discrimination law told me, speaking on the condition of anonymity for fear of blowback from students and colleagues. “For Skrmetti to be the next step in a progress narrative — an incrementalist would say, This is way far from where we ought to be.”<br />
<br />
Along the road to Skrmetti, some believe, the L.G.B.T.Q. movement drove itself toward a cliff — and took the Democratic Party with it, chaining the Biden administration to one of the most divisive issues in American politics at a moment of shifting medical consensus and fierce polarization. </blockquote>
<br />
Warning that this article is LONG. But super informative, and goes in depth over the many errors the trans rights movement has made over the years - and how they’re now reaping the consequences. I thought it was balanced (definitely more so than NYT’s “The Protocol” podcast, though that is also worth a listen) and thorough, however I maintain the complaint that the NYT once again did not touch the fact that most dysphoric children are same-sex attracted.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Healing women from femininity]]></title>
			<link>https://clovenhooves.org/showthread.php?tid=1280</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2025 18:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator><![CDATA[<a href="https://clovenhooves.org/member.php?action=profile&uid=79">YesYourNigel</a>]]></dc:creator>
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			<description><![CDATA[Most feminism seems utterly toothless when it comes to truly tackling the damage that femininity does to women. The damage is acknowledged, yes - there are programs that seek to encourage women into traditionally male fields and interests, as well as criticism of beauty standards and gender roles for women. But nothing ever really gets done about it. It is always packaged in a thick cover of "It's only bad if you're forced into it, but if you willingly partake, then YASS QUEEN SLAYYY 💅". Despite acknowledging how society brainwashes women into femininity, foregoing it is still seen as solely the domain of a minority of "weird" individuals who have the excuse of never getting fully sucked into them in the first place (due to being some variant of tomboy/gay/nerdy/autistic). Any other women I guess are just destined to be exploited and suffer.<br />
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I wish more resources taught women how to dump all aspects of female gender roles and move towards living as a human being that maximises their own abilities, independence and dignity. I think trans can give this to women in the form of an excuse, and a goal in the form of masculine gender roles, rather than the vague "follow your heart" and "do what you truly want", which just ends up with people following the line of least resistance, because unsurprisingly that's what's the least stressful for them. I think (partially) emulating masculinity can help women, but not via trans means where women's grievances with a patriarchal system are medicalised, dismissed as inborn "boysouls", and rely on maintaining the unquestioned cognitive dissonance between one's reality as a subhuman, and the roleplay identity of a superior man.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Most feminism seems utterly toothless when it comes to truly tackling the damage that femininity does to women. The damage is acknowledged, yes - there are programs that seek to encourage women into traditionally male fields and interests, as well as criticism of beauty standards and gender roles for women. But nothing ever really gets done about it. It is always packaged in a thick cover of "It's only bad if you're forced into it, but if you willingly partake, then YASS QUEEN SLAYYY 💅". Despite acknowledging how society brainwashes women into femininity, foregoing it is still seen as solely the domain of a minority of "weird" individuals who have the excuse of never getting fully sucked into them in the first place (due to being some variant of tomboy/gay/nerdy/autistic). Any other women I guess are just destined to be exploited and suffer.<br />
<br />
I wish more resources taught women how to dump all aspects of female gender roles and move towards living as a human being that maximises their own abilities, independence and dignity. I think trans can give this to women in the form of an excuse, and a goal in the form of masculine gender roles, rather than the vague "follow your heart" and "do what you truly want", which just ends up with people following the line of least resistance, because unsurprisingly that's what's the least stressful for them. I think (partially) emulating masculinity can help women, but not via trans means where women's grievances with a patriarchal system are medicalised, dismissed as inborn "boysouls", and rely on maintaining the unquestioned cognitive dissonance between one's reality as a subhuman, and the roleplay identity of a superior man.]]></content:encoded>
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