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		<title><![CDATA[clovenhooves - Beauty Culture]]></title>
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			<title><![CDATA[Beauty culture in action today]]></title>
			<link>https://clovenhooves.org/showthread.php?tid=1841</link>
			<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2025 21:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[I had to run some errands after a dental cleaning this morning. Anymore, I don't wear a full beat almost ever. I'll admit I still put on a little makeup for work or to go out, but for the last few years I've kept it pretty light (tinted moisturizer, mascara, half lash, brow pencil) compared to what I was doing in my mid-20s (concealer, primer, foundation, contour, blush, highlighter, <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">blend,</span> eyeshadow primer, multiple colors of eyeshadow, <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">blend,</span> eyeliner, mascara, BIG false lashes, brow pencil, setting spray).<br />
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Today I did something between the two. Not all the craziness, but the main difference is I went with some biggish lashes.<br />
<br />
And I did my hair instead of throwing it back in a low claw clip. <br />
<br />
My God the difference in men's behavior. They were so friendly and helpful. Example: Walmart worker opened a checkout stand specifically for me because I hadn't grabbed a basket and grabbed too many items, all precariously perched in my arms as I waited in a slow line. He was <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">very</span> friendly, and complimentary when checking my ID for the confetti poppers I was buying. Then he closed the checkout down again as people tried to line up behind me. <br />
<br />
I kind of anticipated this but I had forgotten because I have tended to avoid male attention and treat them as non-entities the last several years when I'm out and about.<br />
<br />
 I just saw a video the other day of a woman wearing sweats and struggling with carrying boxes and then her in a short pink dress doing the same to compare, and men's behavior was exactly as expected. <br />
<br />
And also... I don't look THAT different?? Like I won't say I wake up gorgeous but I'm not a bad looking human, it's not like I'm even slightly transforming my face. <br />
<br />
Conforming to beauty culture has consequences, both positive and negative, or no one would bother. <br />
<br />
But my question is... What makes the difference in the behavior of men who aren't consciously thinking about it? <br />
<br />
Do I actually look more attractive (rhetorical)? Or is it that men subconsciously register that I look more compliant because I'm conforming and that means I seem vulnerable? Or is it that I look like I'm signaling that I care what men think?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[I had to run some errands after a dental cleaning this morning. Anymore, I don't wear a full beat almost ever. I'll admit I still put on a little makeup for work or to go out, but for the last few years I've kept it pretty light (tinted moisturizer, mascara, half lash, brow pencil) compared to what I was doing in my mid-20s (concealer, primer, foundation, contour, blush, highlighter, <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">blend,</span> eyeshadow primer, multiple colors of eyeshadow, <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">blend,</span> eyeliner, mascara, BIG false lashes, brow pencil, setting spray).<br />
<br />
Today I did something between the two. Not all the craziness, but the main difference is I went with some biggish lashes.<br />
<br />
And I did my hair instead of throwing it back in a low claw clip. <br />
<br />
My God the difference in men's behavior. They were so friendly and helpful. Example: Walmart worker opened a checkout stand specifically for me because I hadn't grabbed a basket and grabbed too many items, all precariously perched in my arms as I waited in a slow line. He was <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">very</span> friendly, and complimentary when checking my ID for the confetti poppers I was buying. Then he closed the checkout down again as people tried to line up behind me. <br />
<br />
I kind of anticipated this but I had forgotten because I have tended to avoid male attention and treat them as non-entities the last several years when I'm out and about.<br />
<br />
 I just saw a video the other day of a woman wearing sweats and struggling with carrying boxes and then her in a short pink dress doing the same to compare, and men's behavior was exactly as expected. <br />
<br />
And also... I don't look THAT different?? Like I won't say I wake up gorgeous but I'm not a bad looking human, it's not like I'm even slightly transforming my face. <br />
<br />
Conforming to beauty culture has consequences, both positive and negative, or no one would bother. <br />
<br />
But my question is... What makes the difference in the behavior of men who aren't consciously thinking about it? <br />
<br />
Do I actually look more attractive (rhetorical)? Or is it that men subconsciously register that I look more compliant because I'm conforming and that means I seem vulnerable? Or is it that I look like I'm signaling that I care what men think?]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[“My MIL secretly pierced my baby’s ears without telling us”]]></title>
			<link>https://clovenhooves.org/showthread.php?tid=1542</link>
			<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2025 22:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator><![CDATA[<a href="https://clovenhooves.org/member.php?action=profile&uid=6">Clover</a>]]></dc:creator>
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			<description><![CDATA[Eight-month-old female baby gets her ears stabbed in the name of beauty culture. Welcome to the world, baby girl.<br />
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r/TwoHotTakes: <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoHotTakes/comments/1nisee2/my_mil_secretly_pierced_my_babys_ears_without/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoHotTakes/comments/1nisee2/my_mil_secretly_pierced_my_babys_ears_without/</a><br />
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<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Internal_Teach_7032 </cite>I (29F) left my 8-month-old daughter with my MIL (56F) for an afternoon so I could run errands. When I came back, my baby had pierced ears. I nearly fainted.<br />
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My MIL said, “It’s a cultural thing, she looks so much prettier now,” like she did me a favor. I was livid, we never discussed this, and I never would’ve consented. My baby cried for hours that night from the pain.<br />
<br />
My husband (30M) is furious too, but his mom keeps doubling down saying, “it’s my granddaughter, I get a say.”<br />
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I honestly don’t know if I can ever trust her alone with my baby again.</blockquote>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Eight-month-old female baby gets her ears stabbed in the name of beauty culture. Welcome to the world, baby girl.<br />
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r/TwoHotTakes: <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoHotTakes/comments/1nisee2/my_mil_secretly_pierced_my_babys_ears_without/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoHotTakes/comments/1nisee2/my_mil_secretly_pierced_my_babys_ears_without/</a><br />
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<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Internal_Teach_7032 </cite>I (29F) left my 8-month-old daughter with my MIL (56F) for an afternoon so I could run errands. When I came back, my baby had pierced ears. I nearly fainted.<br />
<br />
My MIL said, “It’s a cultural thing, she looks so much prettier now,” like she did me a favor. I was livid, we never discussed this, and I never would’ve consented. My baby cried for hours that night from the pain.<br />
<br />
My husband (30M) is furious too, but his mom keeps doubling down saying, “it’s my granddaughter, I get a say.”<br />
<br />
I honestly don’t know if I can ever trust her alone with my baby again.</blockquote>]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Korean Tiktok about parents who no longer resemble their children]]></title>
			<link>https://clovenhooves.org/showthread.php?tid=1495</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2025 14:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[A really shocking tiktok by a Korean creator talking about how she saw a family where the parents have had so much plastic surgery that they no longer have any facial characteristics their children have. This was so sad to watch. <br />
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<a href="https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT6gMAcPB/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT6gMAcPB/</a>  <br />
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I feel grateful for coming to terms with the fact that I would never be considered beautiful when I was a young person and I feel so bad for Korean people. The pressure to meet the societal beauty standards sounds horrific.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[A really shocking tiktok by a Korean creator talking about how she saw a family where the parents have had so much plastic surgery that they no longer have any facial characteristics their children have. This was so sad to watch. <br />
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<a href="https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT6gMAcPB/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT6gMAcPB/</a>  <br />
<br />
I feel grateful for coming to terms with the fact that I would never be considered beautiful when I was a young person and I feel so bad for Korean people. The pressure to meet the societal beauty standards sounds horrific.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Home beauty standards]]></title>
			<link>https://clovenhooves.org/showthread.php?tid=1494</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2025 12:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[There's a lot of talk of disparity between male and female household labour, but something that's often neglected in the discussion is the amount of this labour that is actually essential and necessary. Every woman I've lived with has had very neurotic perfectionist ideas on cleanliness and tidyiness that often made even basic tasks into chores, let alone anything messier. It's no wonder so many women have no time for hobbies when their time is spent in endless appearances-driven """cleaning""" and hobbies are just associated with creating more clutter and more mess.<br />
<br />
Feminism seems to put the spotlight on women as a standard and then talks about how much less work men do compared to that, when the standard should be how much work realistically needs to be put into it. Our modern ideas on "cleanliness" (and I hate calling it that because it has nothing to do with hygiene) really originate from the middle class household trying to imitate rich people who would employ servants to keep everything spotless. It was never a standard that was supposed to be managable or practical for normal people doing the work themselves. I've seen women complain about open kitchen trends because it shows the "mess" of food preparation. The mess of food preparation. In the kitchen. Are you fucking kidding me?<br />
<br />
And I realised all of this really is just an extension of beauty standards, down to it being fed by unrealistic social media depictions and digital editing (most catalogue images are cgi) and complete with typical "I do it for myself" excuses. It's something that eats up enormous amounts of women's time, energy and self-worth but is difficult to communicate to women as a negative because their self-worth is so tied to it.<br />
<br />
A lot of feminist rhetoric tends to emphasise men's failings in doing as much work as women while avoiding criticising women's standards (which is also how we get a lot of libfem "dressing like a stripper is empowering, actually" rhetoric). But we can both demand men stop offloading necessary unpaid labour onto women and women also need to severely lower their standards of what amount of work is actually necessary and what's just trying to recreate a home from Pinterest.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[There's a lot of talk of disparity between male and female household labour, but something that's often neglected in the discussion is the amount of this labour that is actually essential and necessary. Every woman I've lived with has had very neurotic perfectionist ideas on cleanliness and tidyiness that often made even basic tasks into chores, let alone anything messier. It's no wonder so many women have no time for hobbies when their time is spent in endless appearances-driven """cleaning""" and hobbies are just associated with creating more clutter and more mess.<br />
<br />
Feminism seems to put the spotlight on women as a standard and then talks about how much less work men do compared to that, when the standard should be how much work realistically needs to be put into it. Our modern ideas on "cleanliness" (and I hate calling it that because it has nothing to do with hygiene) really originate from the middle class household trying to imitate rich people who would employ servants to keep everything spotless. It was never a standard that was supposed to be managable or practical for normal people doing the work themselves. I've seen women complain about open kitchen trends because it shows the "mess" of food preparation. The mess of food preparation. In the kitchen. Are you fucking kidding me?<br />
<br />
And I realised all of this really is just an extension of beauty standards, down to it being fed by unrealistic social media depictions and digital editing (most catalogue images are cgi) and complete with typical "I do it for myself" excuses. It's something that eats up enormous amounts of women's time, energy and self-worth but is difficult to communicate to women as a negative because their self-worth is so tied to it.<br />
<br />
A lot of feminist rhetoric tends to emphasise men's failings in doing as much work as women while avoiding criticising women's standards (which is also how we get a lot of libfem "dressing like a stripper is empowering, actually" rhetoric). But we can both demand men stop offloading necessary unpaid labour onto women and women also need to severely lower their standards of what amount of work is actually necessary and what's just trying to recreate a home from Pinterest.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Beauty is an ‘insidious force in women’s financial lives,’ says ‘Rich Girl Nation’ author — here’s how to overcome it]]></title>
			<link>https://clovenhooves.org/showthread.php?tid=1368</link>
			<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2025 15:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator><![CDATA[<a href="https://clovenhooves.org/member.php?action=profile&uid=147">Elsacat</a>]]></dc:creator>
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			<description><![CDATA[<a href="https://www.cnbc.com/2025/07/12/money-with-katie-founder-how-beauty-expenses-affect-your-finances.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://www.cnbc.com/2025/07/12/money-with-katie-founder-how-beauty-expenses-affect-your-finances.html</a><br />
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<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite>But what I want to bring people back to is, beauty is a depreciating asset by design. Unlike <a href="https://www.cnbc.com/investing/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">investing</a> in actual capital — which will grow with time, it will become more valuable — when you invest in beauty, the opposite is happening. It’s going to require more and more cash to extend that half-life.</blockquote>
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I'd never thought of it that way but author Katie Gatti Tassin is right. Beauty is a depreciating asset. No matter how we might invest in it and increase it for a while, it is bound to drop and give diminishing returns on that investment. Putting that money into health, finances, and other aspects of well-being is a better investment. I won't slam women for being part of beauty culture because I still do it myself to an extent. Vanity and old habits die hard. But it's freeing to feel like reducing participation in beauty culture isn't just turning away from something, it's turning toward something - multiple somethings that are better uses of time and money. Health, finances, other aspects of well being.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<a href="https://www.cnbc.com/2025/07/12/money-with-katie-founder-how-beauty-expenses-affect-your-finances.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://www.cnbc.com/2025/07/12/money-with-katie-founder-how-beauty-expenses-affect-your-finances.html</a><br />
<br />
<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite>But what I want to bring people back to is, beauty is a depreciating asset by design. Unlike <a href="https://www.cnbc.com/investing/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">investing</a> in actual capital — which will grow with time, it will become more valuable — when you invest in beauty, the opposite is happening. It’s going to require more and more cash to extend that half-life.</blockquote>
<br />
I'd never thought of it that way but author Katie Gatti Tassin is right. Beauty is a depreciating asset. No matter how we might invest in it and increase it for a while, it is bound to drop and give diminishing returns on that investment. Putting that money into health, finances, and other aspects of well-being is a better investment. I won't slam women for being part of beauty culture because I still do it myself to an extent. Vanity and old habits die hard. But it's freeing to feel like reducing participation in beauty culture isn't just turning away from something, it's turning toward something - multiple somethings that are better uses of time and money. Health, finances, other aspects of well being.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Eating disorders are on the rise in older women—and menopause is playing a role]]></title>
			<link>https://clovenhooves.org/showthread.php?tid=1339</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2025 00:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator><![CDATA[<a href="https://clovenhooves.org/member.php?action=profile&uid=147">Elsacat</a>]]></dc:creator>
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			<description><![CDATA[<a href="https://www.nationalgeographic.com/health/article/eating-disorders-women-menopause" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://www.nationalgeographic.com/health/article/eating-disorders-women-menopause</a><br />
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<a href="https://archive.ph/hx8XT" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://archive.ph/hx8XT</a><br />
<br />
<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite>Such factors coincide with a double bind that midlife women often face: cultural pressure to remain thin and youthful and an aging body that naturally shifts away from the proportions idealized in media. The pressures are so intense that <a href="https://archive.ph/o/hx8XT/https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11920-019-1057-5" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">research shows</a> an overwhelming 73 percent of midlife women reporting weight dissatisfaction—making it clear these struggles are not just personal, they’re systemic.<br />
<br />
This dynamic has only been intensified by the surge of weight-loss drugs like Ozempic and harmful diet trends promulgated on social media such as #SkinnyTok. “Asking a woman between the ages of 45 to 55 to be the size she was at 15 or 20 or even 30 is terrible advice,” says Kievit.</blockquote>
]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<a href="https://www.nationalgeographic.com/health/article/eating-disorders-women-menopause" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://www.nationalgeographic.com/health/article/eating-disorders-women-menopause</a><br />
<br />
<a href="https://archive.ph/hx8XT" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://archive.ph/hx8XT</a><br />
<br />
<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite>Such factors coincide with a double bind that midlife women often face: cultural pressure to remain thin and youthful and an aging body that naturally shifts away from the proportions idealized in media. The pressures are so intense that <a href="https://archive.ph/o/hx8XT/https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11920-019-1057-5" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">research shows</a> an overwhelming 73 percent of midlife women reporting weight dissatisfaction—making it clear these struggles are not just personal, they’re systemic.<br />
<br />
This dynamic has only been intensified by the surge of weight-loss drugs like Ozempic and harmful diet trends promulgated on social media such as #SkinnyTok. “Asking a woman between the ages of 45 to 55 to be the size she was at 15 or 20 or even 30 is terrible advice,” says Kievit.</blockquote>
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			<title><![CDATA[The Body-Positivity Movement Is Over]]></title>
			<link>https://clovenhooves.org/showthread.php?tid=1323</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2025 15:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator><![CDATA[<a href="https://clovenhooves.org/member.php?action=profile&uid=147">Elsacat</a>]]></dc:creator>
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			<description><![CDATA[<a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/06/skinnytok-women-weight-tiktok-liv-schmidt/683200/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/06/skinnytok-women-weight-tiktok-liv-schmidt/683200/</a><br />
<br />
<a href="https://archive.ph/AEPGj" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://archive.ph/AEPGj</a><br />
<br />
<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite>A few days after my Instagram feed surrendered to the SkinnyTok takeover, the tradwife content began to sneak in. Beautiful women baking bread in linen dresses spoke to me about embracing my divine femininity. I should consider “softer living” and “embracing my natural role.” All of a sudden, I wondered whether I, a single woman in her late 20s living in Manhattan, should trade it all in to become a mother of 10 on a farm in Montana.<br />
<br />
Watch a few more of these videos, and soon you’ll be directed to the anti-vax moms, or the Turning Point USA sweetheart <a href="https://archive.ph/o/AEPGj/https://www.isdglobal.org/digital_dispatches/how-women-seeking-information-about-health-and-wellness-are-recommended-sites-that-promote-election-denialism/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">Alex Clark’s wellness podcast, <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Cultural Apothecary</span></a>, or the full-on conspiratorial alt-right universe. This is just how the internet works. Eviane Leidig, the author of <a href="https://archive.ph/o/AEPGj/https://cup.columbia.edu/book/the-women-of-the-far-right/9780231558303/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url"><span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">The Women of the Far Right: Social Media Influencers and Online Radicalization</span></a>, sees a connection between SkinnyTok and tradwives in their “very strong visual representation of femininity.” <br />
<br />
Whether they mean to be or not, they have become part of the same pipeline. Algorithms grab your attention with lighter, relatable content while exposing you to more extremist viewpoints. The alt-right, she said, is great at making aspirational and seemingly apolitical content that viewers relate to. “This is a deliberate strategy that the conservative space has been employing over the last several years to capitalize on cultural issues as a gateway to radicalize audiences into more extreme viewpoints.”</blockquote>
<br />
It only starts with health and body size. Nothing wrong with wanting to be your best, healthiest self.<br />
<br />
Then comes the ana, then comes the Stepford MAGA brainwashing.<br />
<br />
TikTok is cancer.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/06/skinnytok-women-weight-tiktok-liv-schmidt/683200/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/06/skinnytok-women-weight-tiktok-liv-schmidt/683200/</a><br />
<br />
<a href="https://archive.ph/AEPGj" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://archive.ph/AEPGj</a><br />
<br />
<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite>A few days after my Instagram feed surrendered to the SkinnyTok takeover, the tradwife content began to sneak in. Beautiful women baking bread in linen dresses spoke to me about embracing my divine femininity. I should consider “softer living” and “embracing my natural role.” All of a sudden, I wondered whether I, a single woman in her late 20s living in Manhattan, should trade it all in to become a mother of 10 on a farm in Montana.<br />
<br />
Watch a few more of these videos, and soon you’ll be directed to the anti-vax moms, or the Turning Point USA sweetheart <a href="https://archive.ph/o/AEPGj/https://www.isdglobal.org/digital_dispatches/how-women-seeking-information-about-health-and-wellness-are-recommended-sites-that-promote-election-denialism/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">Alex Clark’s wellness podcast, <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Cultural Apothecary</span></a>, or the full-on conspiratorial alt-right universe. This is just how the internet works. Eviane Leidig, the author of <a href="https://archive.ph/o/AEPGj/https://cup.columbia.edu/book/the-women-of-the-far-right/9780231558303/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url"><span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">The Women of the Far Right: Social Media Influencers and Online Radicalization</span></a>, sees a connection between SkinnyTok and tradwives in their “very strong visual representation of femininity.” <br />
<br />
Whether they mean to be or not, they have become part of the same pipeline. Algorithms grab your attention with lighter, relatable content while exposing you to more extremist viewpoints. The alt-right, she said, is great at making aspirational and seemingly apolitical content that viewers relate to. “This is a deliberate strategy that the conservative space has been employing over the last several years to capitalize on cultural issues as a gateway to radicalize audiences into more extreme viewpoints.”</blockquote>
<br />
It only starts with health and body size. Nothing wrong with wanting to be your best, healthiest self.<br />
<br />
Then comes the ana, then comes the Stepford MAGA brainwashing.<br />
<br />
TikTok is cancer.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Women Face Issues Returning To China After Plastic Surgery In South Korea; Need Doctor Certs To Prove Identities]]></title>
			<link>https://clovenhooves.org/showthread.php?tid=1236</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2025 19:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">Chinese Tourists Face Issues Returning To China After Plastic Surgery In South Korea; Need Doctor Certs To Prove Identities</span><br />
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8days, March 8 2025<br />
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<a href="https://www.8days.sg/entertainment/asian/china-tourist-face-issues-after-plastic-surgery-south-korea-need-doctor-cert-prove-identity-841506" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://www.8days.sg/entertainment/asian/china-tourist-face-issues-after-plastic-surgery-south-korea-need-doctor-cert-prove-identity-841506</a><br />
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<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite>With South Korea being one of the world’s most popular destinations for plastic surgery, it is no surprise that some medical tourists are facing challenges when going through immigration after their makeover.<br />
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So much so that the Chinese Embassy is reminding everyone to carry a doctor’s certificate when leaving the country. After all, during long holiday breaks, many tourists from China flock to South Korea for aesthetic procedures. <br />
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This situation is reminscent of an incident in 2017 when three Mainland Chinese women in their 20s were reportedly stopped from leaving South Korea because they couldn’t prove that they were the same people in their passport photos.</blockquote>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">Chinese Tourists Face Issues Returning To China After Plastic Surgery In South Korea; Need Doctor Certs To Prove Identities</span><br />
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8days, March 8 2025<br />
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<a href="https://www.8days.sg/entertainment/asian/china-tourist-face-issues-after-plastic-surgery-south-korea-need-doctor-cert-prove-identity-841506" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://www.8days.sg/entertainment/asian/china-tourist-face-issues-after-plastic-surgery-south-korea-need-doctor-cert-prove-identity-841506</a><br />
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<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite>With South Korea being one of the world’s most popular destinations for plastic surgery, it is no surprise that some medical tourists are facing challenges when going through immigration after their makeover.<br />
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So much so that the Chinese Embassy is reminding everyone to carry a doctor’s certificate when leaving the country. After all, during long holiday breaks, many tourists from China flock to South Korea for aesthetic procedures. <br />
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This situation is reminscent of an incident in 2017 when three Mainland Chinese women in their 20s were reportedly stopped from leaving South Korea because they couldn’t prove that they were the same people in their passport photos.</blockquote>
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			<title><![CDATA[‘It’s, Like, This Little Cult of Being Skinny’]]></title>
			<link>https://clovenhooves.org/showthread.php?tid=1230</link>
			<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2025 20:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<a href="https://www.thecut.com/article/influencer-liv-schmidt-subscriber-group-chat-weight-loss.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://www.thecut.com/article/influencer-liv-schmidt-subscriber-group-chat-weight-loss.html</a><br />
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<a href="https://archive.ph/m3mum" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://archive.ph/m3mum</a><br />
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130k a month for pro-ana chat groups is insane. Schmidt was finally demonatized today after IG and Tiktok have known about her content since last year.<br />
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Good video with author of The Cut article here:<br />
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<a href="https://open.substack.com/pub/bodytype/p/skinnytok-is-a-trumpian-backlash?utm_source=share&amp;utm_medium=android&amp;r=1ggx1f" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://open.substack.com/pub/bodytype/p/skinnytok-is-a-trumpian-backlash?utm_source=share&amp;utm_medium=android&amp;r=1ggx1f</a><br />
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<a href="https://archive.ph/m3mum" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://archive.ph/m3mum</a><br />
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130k a month for pro-ana chat groups is insane. Schmidt was finally demonatized today after IG and Tiktok have known about her content since last year.<br />
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Good video with author of The Cut article here:<br />
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<a href="https://open.substack.com/pub/bodytype/p/skinnytok-is-a-trumpian-backlash?utm_source=share&amp;utm_medium=android&amp;r=1ggx1f" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://open.substack.com/pub/bodytype/p/skinnytok-is-a-trumpian-backlash?utm_source=share&amp;utm_medium=android&amp;r=1ggx1f</a><br />
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			<title><![CDATA[“Losing weight isn't worth dying for.”]]></title>
			<link>https://clovenhooves.org/showthread.php?tid=1183</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2025 18:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator><![CDATA[<a href="https://clovenhooves.org/member.php?action=profile&uid=6">Clover</a>]]></dc:creator>
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			<description><![CDATA[r/TwoXChromosomes: <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/1ki7dvq/losing_weight_isnt_worth_dying_for/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/1ki7dvq/losing_weight_isnt_worth_dying_for/</a><br />
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<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>zazzatazz </cite>Just over 24hrs ago, my sister died due to the complications of Ozempic she was getting off the dark Web. She died in pain and confusion and all in the pursuit of fitting a societal beauty standard that's fucking made up bullshit pushed on us by advertisers.<br />
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It's senseless and not fair. I don't know what to say I just hurt so much for a life wasted. She was 28 years old and had so much to live for. It doesn't feel real.<br />
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Edit: I know it was not real ozempic. The point stands that she died because she felt so unhappy in her body she made risky choices to fit a beauty standard.</blockquote>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[r/TwoXChromosomes: <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/1ki7dvq/losing_weight_isnt_worth_dying_for/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/1ki7dvq/losing_weight_isnt_worth_dying_for/</a><br />
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<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>zazzatazz </cite>Just over 24hrs ago, my sister died due to the complications of Ozempic she was getting off the dark Web. She died in pain and confusion and all in the pursuit of fitting a societal beauty standard that's fucking made up bullshit pushed on us by advertisers.<br />
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It's senseless and not fair. I don't know what to say I just hurt so much for a life wasted. She was 28 years old and had so much to live for. It doesn't feel real.<br />
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Edit: I know it was not real ozempic. The point stands that she died because she felt so unhappy in her body she made risky choices to fit a beauty standard.</blockquote>]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Facebook Allegedly Detected When Teen Girls Deleted Selfies So It Could Serve Them Beauty Ads]]></title>
			<link>https://clovenhooves.org/showthread.php?tid=1141</link>
			<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2025 17:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator><![CDATA[<a href="https://clovenhooves.org/member.php?action=profile&uid=6">Clover</a>]]></dc:creator>
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			<description><![CDATA[Futurist, May 3 2025.<br />
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<a href="https://futurism.com/facebook-beauty-targeted-ads" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://futurism.com/facebook-beauty-targeted-ads</a><br />
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<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite>A recent tell-all book by former Facebook insider Sarah Wynn-Williams, titled "<a href="https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250391230/carelesspeople/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">Careless People</a>," is blowing the lid on the sheer depravity of the social media giant's targeting machine. Wynn-Williams worked at Facebook — which subsequently changed its name to Meta a few years back — from 2011 to 2017, eventually rising to the role of <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/11/tech/meta-whistleblower-book-sarah-wynn-williams/index.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">public policy director</a>.<br />
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As early as 2017, Wynn-Williams writes, Facebook was exploring ways to expand its ad targeting abilities to thirteen-to-seventeen-year-olds across Facebook and Instagram — a decidedly vulnerable group, often in the throes of adolescent image and social crises.</blockquote>
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<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite>The social media company likewise tracked when adolescent girls deleted selfies, "so it can serve a beauty ad to them at that moment," according to Wynn-Williams. Other examples of Facebook's ad lechery are said to include the targeting of young mothers based on their emotional state, as well as emotional indexes mapped to racial groups, like a "Hispanic and African American Feeling Fantastic Over-index."</blockquote>
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<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/1ketwjn/facebook_allegedly_detected_when_teen_girls/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">Discussion on r/TwoXChromosomes </a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Futurist, May 3 2025.<br />
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<a href="https://futurism.com/facebook-beauty-targeted-ads" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://futurism.com/facebook-beauty-targeted-ads</a><br />
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<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite>A recent tell-all book by former Facebook insider Sarah Wynn-Williams, titled "<a href="https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250391230/carelesspeople/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">Careless People</a>," is blowing the lid on the sheer depravity of the social media giant's targeting machine. Wynn-Williams worked at Facebook — which subsequently changed its name to Meta a few years back — from 2011 to 2017, eventually rising to the role of <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/11/tech/meta-whistleblower-book-sarah-wynn-williams/index.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">public policy director</a>.<br />
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As early as 2017, Wynn-Williams writes, Facebook was exploring ways to expand its ad targeting abilities to thirteen-to-seventeen-year-olds across Facebook and Instagram — a decidedly vulnerable group, often in the throes of adolescent image and social crises.</blockquote>
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<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite>The social media company likewise tracked when adolescent girls deleted selfies, "so it can serve a beauty ad to them at that moment," according to Wynn-Williams. Other examples of Facebook's ad lechery are said to include the targeting of young mothers based on their emotional state, as well as emotional indexes mapped to racial groups, like a "Hispanic and African American Feeling Fantastic Over-index."</blockquote>
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<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/1ketwjn/facebook_allegedly_detected_when_teen_girls/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">Discussion on r/TwoXChromosomes </a>]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Facial filler blinds woman in left eye]]></title>
			<link>https://clovenhooves.org/showthread.php?tid=1022</link>
			<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2025 12:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Just something to send to any friends or family considering injectable facial fillers or skin treatments. Injections can cause blindness if the injector hits blood vessels supplying your retinas. <br />
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<a href="https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTjFogams/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTjFogams/</a><br />
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(this person describes Juvelook as a "skin booster" and not a filler, but it's an injectable and so can cause the same type of damage to blood vessels and nerves if injected in the wrong spot.)]]></description>
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<a href="https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTjFogams/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTjFogams/</a><br />
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(this person describes Juvelook as a "skin booster" and not a filler, but it's an injectable and so can cause the same type of damage to blood vessels and nerves if injected in the wrong spot.)]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Not Everyone Has to Be Beautiful And That’s Okay]]></title>
			<link>https://clovenhooves.org/showthread.php?tid=796</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2025 22:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator><![CDATA[<a href="https://clovenhooves.org/member.php?action=profile&uid=6">Clover</a>]]></dc:creator>
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			<description><![CDATA[By Kayleigh Donaldson. <br />
Pajiba, April 19 2019.<br />
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<a href="https://www.pajiba.com/think_pieces/not-everyone-has-to-be-beautiful-and-thats-okay.php" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://www.pajiba.com/think_pieces/not-everyone-has-to-be-beautiful-and-thats-okay.php</a><br />
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<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite>We’ve talked before about how the utterly necessary and radical work of body positivity activists and campaigners has been appropriated and turned into just another skinny girl thing for the masses, stripped free of its political urgency. Capitalism demands a reinforcement of the status quo and what it believes to be guaranteed routes to profit, regardless of what history or economics say in rebuttal. So the faces of body positivity are the same stunningly beautiful people who would be used to sell detox tea, only now they’re cloaking their utterly substance-free inspirational messages in a false sense of universality. No, see, we’re <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">all</span> beautiful and you just need to believe in yourself! <br />
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But here’s the thing: I wholeheartedly believe I am unattractive and I am not bothered by that. I don’t think I’m beautiful and I think it’s OK to say that. It is not a curse or a lack of self-confidence that encourages me to think such things about myself. So why does everyone get so wound up when I say it? </blockquote>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[By Kayleigh Donaldson. <br />
Pajiba, April 19 2019.<br />
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<a href="https://www.pajiba.com/think_pieces/not-everyone-has-to-be-beautiful-and-thats-okay.php" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://www.pajiba.com/think_pieces/not-everyone-has-to-be-beautiful-and-thats-okay.php</a><br />
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<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite>We’ve talked before about how the utterly necessary and radical work of body positivity activists and campaigners has been appropriated and turned into just another skinny girl thing for the masses, stripped free of its political urgency. Capitalism demands a reinforcement of the status quo and what it believes to be guaranteed routes to profit, regardless of what history or economics say in rebuttal. So the faces of body positivity are the same stunningly beautiful people who would be used to sell detox tea, only now they’re cloaking their utterly substance-free inspirational messages in a false sense of universality. No, see, we’re <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">all</span> beautiful and you just need to believe in yourself! <br />
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But here’s the thing: I wholeheartedly believe I am unattractive and I am not bothered by that. I don’t think I’m beautiful and I think it’s OK to say that. It is not a curse or a lack of self-confidence that encourages me to think such things about myself. So why does everyone get so wound up when I say it? </blockquote>
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			<title><![CDATA[Brooke Shields Reveals Doctor Performed Intimate Surgery Without Her Consent]]></title>
			<link>https://clovenhooves.org/showthread.php?tid=520</link>
			<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jan 2025 20:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<a href="https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/brooke-shields-reveals-doctor-performed-223220231.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/brooke-shields-reveals-doctor-performed-223220231.html</a><br />
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Apologies if this is not the right subforum, but this story, wtf. Bad enough what the plastic surgeon did but also, to be labia-shamed by your gyn. It's one thing to bring up an issue with a patient if a gyn sees evidence of chafing, bleeding, irritation, etc. and maybe that was the case here, but it's hard to tell. There's no excuse for the plastic surgeon to have done an additional procedure on Brooke without her consent.]]></description>
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Apologies if this is not the right subforum, but this story, wtf. Bad enough what the plastic surgeon did but also, to be labia-shamed by your gyn. It's one thing to bring up an issue with a patient if a gyn sees evidence of chafing, bleeding, irritation, etc. and maybe that was the case here, but it's hard to tell. There's no excuse for the plastic surgeon to have done an additional procedure on Brooke without her consent.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Why foregoing femininity is so difficult]]></title>
			<link>https://clovenhooves.org/showthread.php?tid=490</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 27 Dec 2024 23:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[I was debating posting this in the Gender Nonconformity forum, but maybe it's more appropriate here?<br />
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I feel like with a lot of women who forego some trappings of femininity, the problem arises because they still remain somewhat feminine, and this ends up with them feeling essentially like failed women. Like, they still compare themselves with the feminine ideal, except not as extreme. And this results in negative self-perception where the original ideal is still a perfectly feminine woman that they're just moving further away from.<br />
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I've been thinking about why this has never been the case for me. All my life I've wanted to look masculine, so it did not feel odd to never shave, or to never wear makeup. It felt completely liberating to buy in the men's section and to cut my hair short. Because my role model was the form of presentation that's expected of men, foregoing parts of femininity felt obvious, and in fact combining the two would've felt weird. In that way I signaled that I do not in any way wish to have any feminine standards applied on me.<br />
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I think the reason why rejecting femininity feels so scary to women is because they don't feel like they have any alternative. They can either move between being invisible, or being on the lower end of the ugly-pretty scale of femininity. An alternative to that is seen as nothing, like a lack of identity. And being, say, a somewhat feminine woman who doesn't shave her legs seems to create this image of a woman who just can't do femininity right, rather than an alternative to the conventional ideal. One might say that an alternative, more realistic ideal should be popularised, but because femininity is a mode of presentation whose centuries of existence have only ever served to further ideas of female attractiveness in a patriarchal society, it doesn't feel possible to rehabilitate it.<br />
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What are your thoughts on this?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[I was debating posting this in the Gender Nonconformity forum, but maybe it's more appropriate here?<br />
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I feel like with a lot of women who forego some trappings of femininity, the problem arises because they still remain somewhat feminine, and this ends up with them feeling essentially like failed women. Like, they still compare themselves with the feminine ideal, except not as extreme. And this results in negative self-perception where the original ideal is still a perfectly feminine woman that they're just moving further away from.<br />
<br />
I've been thinking about why this has never been the case for me. All my life I've wanted to look masculine, so it did not feel odd to never shave, or to never wear makeup. It felt completely liberating to buy in the men's section and to cut my hair short. Because my role model was the form of presentation that's expected of men, foregoing parts of femininity felt obvious, and in fact combining the two would've felt weird. In that way I signaled that I do not in any way wish to have any feminine standards applied on me.<br />
<br />
I think the reason why rejecting femininity feels so scary to women is because they don't feel like they have any alternative. They can either move between being invisible, or being on the lower end of the ugly-pretty scale of femininity. An alternative to that is seen as nothing, like a lack of identity. And being, say, a somewhat feminine woman who doesn't shave her legs seems to create this image of a woman who just can't do femininity right, rather than an alternative to the conventional ideal. One might say that an alternative, more realistic ideal should be popularised, but because femininity is a mode of presentation whose centuries of existence have only ever served to further ideas of female attractiveness in a patriarchal society, it doesn't feel possible to rehabilitate it.<br />
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What are your thoughts on this?]]></content:encoded>
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