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Article The Gender Identity Movement: A Western Take on Male Supremacist Religious Zealotry

Article The Gender Identity Movement: A Western Take on Male Supremacist Religious Zealotry

 
May 12 2025, 11:56 PM
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https://nassimsahar.substack.com/p/the-gender-identity-movement-a-western

This is an essay I recently wrote, it's quite a long read. The title is the gist basically.
nassim
May 12 2025, 11:56 PM #1

https://nassimsahar.substack.com/p/the-gender-identity-movement-a-western

This is an essay I recently wrote, it's quite a long read. The title is the gist basically.

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May 16 2025, 2:40 PM
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Thank you for writing and sharing this, your insights and lived experiences are fascinating.

Quote:I moved to Switzerland only a year after full voting rights were extended to all Swiss women. In school, we were shown surveys with people who were still not on board. Why was my attention not driven to this as the barometer of women’s progress? Growing up with a conservative Middle Eastern father, I was undoubtedly more limited in some ways than my peers, but it is not black and white. For example, intellectually and career-wise, the Swiss put more limitations on girls, with a strong attachment to traditional norms that dictated that we were not suited to go into STEM or aim for leadership roles. Yet when Westerners drew comparisons between themselves and Iranians, the hijab eclipsed all else.

There is a tendency in Western countries for them to ignore their own misogynistic cultural practices and focus on others. Muslim patriarchal values are an easy target. Western women can be "comforted" by thoughts of "well at least I don't have it that bad," which is enough sedation to keep them to avoid thinking about their systemic misogyny located right in their own country. "But the hijab" is an excellent "thought stopper" for misogynists when feminist analysis starts getting too close for their comfort.

Quote:Furthermore, sexism manifests in different ways throughout regions and cultures. I’ve traveled widely as an interpreter, speaking and sharing rooms with women from mostly poor rural backgrounds from every corner of the world. I’ve carefully translated stories about what women and girls face as females in a patriarchal world, from Nicaragua to Uganda. The notion that the Muslim world is homogenous and that in every respect, it is “the worst” that this world has for women is simply wrong.

"The worst" implies there is maybe some level that is acceptable when all of misogyny is unacceptable. "The worst" is the toxic technique of "comparative suffering" — a threat to women of "well, you could have it worse, so stop complaining." This reminds me of Lorde's "there is no hierarchy of oppressions." And yet neoliberal Western feminists might find some comfort in thinking there is, therefore forming their own cultural "not my Nigel" with the Western country they call home. In this case, Nigel means "nice misogynistic country that everyone likes."

Quote:[...] [My aunt] grew up in Iran as the eldest of eight siblings and emigrated to the US at the age of 18. She strove to build a life that was radically different from what she had seen of the lives of women growing up. Always independent, she’s never been married and is now 80, very fit, and lives in San Francisco. She recently encountered a man in the locker room as she was coming out of the shower at the San Francisco Presidio YMCA. When she complained to the YMCA staff, they were condescending and dismissive. My aunt told me: “When you are from Iran, it feels like whenever you want to do something, it needs to be ratified by the men. Then when you come here, even though you know that there is sexism, it feels theoretical. You still feel like you are free to make your life and do what you want to do. When this happened at the YMCA, I felt for the first time that we are just as limited here, that we only ever have what the men deign to give us, and we’re supposed to just take it and say thank you. We are truly 2nd class citizens.”

Yep. In the West, it's all still ratified by men, women just have a longer leash, maybe a bigger cage, but it's all still under male domination.
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May 16 2025, 2:40 PM #2

Thank you for writing and sharing this, your insights and lived experiences are fascinating.

Quote:I moved to Switzerland only a year after full voting rights were extended to all Swiss women. In school, we were shown surveys with people who were still not on board. Why was my attention not driven to this as the barometer of women’s progress? Growing up with a conservative Middle Eastern father, I was undoubtedly more limited in some ways than my peers, but it is not black and white. For example, intellectually and career-wise, the Swiss put more limitations on girls, with a strong attachment to traditional norms that dictated that we were not suited to go into STEM or aim for leadership roles. Yet when Westerners drew comparisons between themselves and Iranians, the hijab eclipsed all else.

There is a tendency in Western countries for them to ignore their own misogynistic cultural practices and focus on others. Muslim patriarchal values are an easy target. Western women can be "comforted" by thoughts of "well at least I don't have it that bad," which is enough sedation to keep them to avoid thinking about their systemic misogyny located right in their own country. "But the hijab" is an excellent "thought stopper" for misogynists when feminist analysis starts getting too close for their comfort.

Quote:Furthermore, sexism manifests in different ways throughout regions and cultures. I’ve traveled widely as an interpreter, speaking and sharing rooms with women from mostly poor rural backgrounds from every corner of the world. I’ve carefully translated stories about what women and girls face as females in a patriarchal world, from Nicaragua to Uganda. The notion that the Muslim world is homogenous and that in every respect, it is “the worst” that this world has for women is simply wrong.

"The worst" implies there is maybe some level that is acceptable when all of misogyny is unacceptable. "The worst" is the toxic technique of "comparative suffering" — a threat to women of "well, you could have it worse, so stop complaining." This reminds me of Lorde's "there is no hierarchy of oppressions." And yet neoliberal Western feminists might find some comfort in thinking there is, therefore forming their own cultural "not my Nigel" with the Western country they call home. In this case, Nigel means "nice misogynistic country that everyone likes."

Quote:[...] [My aunt] grew up in Iran as the eldest of eight siblings and emigrated to the US at the age of 18. She strove to build a life that was radically different from what she had seen of the lives of women growing up. Always independent, she’s never been married and is now 80, very fit, and lives in San Francisco. She recently encountered a man in the locker room as she was coming out of the shower at the San Francisco Presidio YMCA. When she complained to the YMCA staff, they were condescending and dismissive. My aunt told me: “When you are from Iran, it feels like whenever you want to do something, it needs to be ratified by the men. Then when you come here, even though you know that there is sexism, it feels theoretical. You still feel like you are free to make your life and do what you want to do. When this happened at the YMCA, I felt for the first time that we are just as limited here, that we only ever have what the men deign to give us, and we’re supposed to just take it and say thank you. We are truly 2nd class citizens.”

Yep. In the West, it's all still ratified by men, women just have a longer leash, maybe a bigger cage, but it's all still under male domination.

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