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2024 USA Elections Discussion Thread

2024 USA Elections Discussion Thread

 
Clover
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Nov 06 2024, 11:17 AM
#1
Making this to post outcomes of the 2024 elections in the USA and to discuss the outcomes.

For federal:
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Reproductive Rights
💜 Maryland votes to enshrine abortion rights in state constitution: https://www.cbsnews.com/baltimore/news/maryland-ballot-question-1-abortion-amendment-2024-election/

💜 Missouri voters back amendment to end abortion ban https://www.npr.org/2024/11/05/g-s1-32791/missouri-voters-back-amendment-to-end-abortion-ban

💜 Montanans vote to codify abortion access in the state constitution https://www.npr.org/2024/11/06/g-s1-32997/montana-abortion-results

💜 Nevada voted to make abortion a constitutional right. https://apnews.com/article/nevada-2024-election-ballot-measures-questions-fe3f9ce5941c7ef0494eac3399038411

💜 Arizona voters enshrine abortion rights in state constitution https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/arizona-ballot-measure-proposition-139-amendment-passes-rcna173895

💔 Effort to add abortion rights to Florida Constitution fails https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/florida-reject-abortion-protections-amendment-4-rcna173900 (“A majority of voters supported a ballot measure that would have expanded abortion access in the state, but it needed 60% to pass.”)

💔 South Dakota voters defeat effort to put abortion rights in the state constitution https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/south-dakota-voters-defeat-abortion-rights-ballot-measure-rcna177402

💔 Nebraska voters opt to keep 12-week abortion ban in place https://www.npr.org/2024/11/06/g-s1-32935/abortion-ban-nebraska-vote
Edited Nov 06 2024, 8:28 PM by Clover.

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Clover
Nov 06 2024, 11:17 AM #1

Making this to post outcomes of the 2024 elections in the USA and to discuss the outcomes.

For federal:
[Image: PEi4bne.png]

Reproductive Rights
💜 Maryland votes to enshrine abortion rights in state constitution: https://www.cbsnews.com/baltimore/news/maryland-ballot-question-1-abortion-amendment-2024-election/

💜 Missouri voters back amendment to end abortion ban https://www.npr.org/2024/11/05/g-s1-32791/missouri-voters-back-amendment-to-end-abortion-ban

💜 Montanans vote to codify abortion access in the state constitution https://www.npr.org/2024/11/06/g-s1-32997/montana-abortion-results

💜 Nevada voted to make abortion a constitutional right. https://apnews.com/article/nevada-2024-election-ballot-measures-questions-fe3f9ce5941c7ef0494eac3399038411

💜 Arizona voters enshrine abortion rights in state constitution https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/arizona-ballot-measure-proposition-139-amendment-passes-rcna173895

💔 Effort to add abortion rights to Florida Constitution fails https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/florida-reject-abortion-protections-amendment-4-rcna173900 (“A majority of voters supported a ballot measure that would have expanded abortion access in the state, but it needed 60% to pass.”)

💔 South Dakota voters defeat effort to put abortion rights in the state constitution https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/south-dakota-voters-defeat-abortion-rights-ballot-measure-rcna177402

💔 Nebraska voters opt to keep 12-week abortion ban in place https://www.npr.org/2024/11/06/g-s1-32935/abortion-ban-nebraska-vote


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Nov 06 2024, 12:21 PM
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Good for Maryland! Abortion rights have also been added to the constitution in Missouri, Arizona, Colorado, New York, Montana and Nevada. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/05/us/elections/results-abortion.html

Unfortunately it was on the ballot in Florida, Nebraska and South Dakota but did not pass.
Berry
Nov 06 2024, 12:21 PM #2

Good for Maryland! Abortion rights have also been added to the constitution in Missouri, Arizona, Colorado, New York, Montana and Nevada. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/05/us/elections/results-abortion.html

Unfortunately it was on the ballot in Florida, Nebraska and South Dakota but did not pass.

Clover
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Nov 07 2024, 7:00 PM
#3
Thanks, Berry. I've updated the OP with those results.

Well now that a day has passed and I have had some time to settle into what my country's future is, I feel like I can actually write out some thoughts. I feel disappointed.

I feel disappointed at the swathes of people who decided a misogynistic failed business man was better for our country than a woman with an established political career. I refuse to believe that misogyny did not play a huge role in the outcome of this election. I am disheartened to see an essential repeat of 2016, actually even worse in some regards.

I feel disappointed at the Democrat party and Biden, the "establishment"; Biden for refusing to be a one-term president like he initially promised, what a massive blunder. The DNC for going along with that instead of just holding a primary so that Democrat voters could pick a candidate they actually wanted. Reading comments yesterday about how Harris basically had a "coronation ceremony" at the DNC really reminded me how fucked up that all was. I'd think that the party that calls themselves democrats, and talks about democracy and saving democracy would realize how tone deaf it is to shoehorn in a candidate we didn't get a say over.

There's more I could write, but I am too tired still. And I feel for myself there is really no point to fret over the past anymore. It's time to accept what happened and do what I can to progress despite setbacks.

I believe it is going to be a harder time for women with this blatantly misogynistic administration we are going to have in January. I still fear the Project 2025 playbook. I have been given no reason to believe they will not go after birth control, chemical abortions, and possibly even no fault divorce. In 2016 when Trump got elected, they told us to not worry about abortion, that it was all just talk, and then Roe v Wade was struck down.

For reproductive rights, women are going to have to continue focus their efforts per state. I think the same will be true for any other misogynistic policies the Trump administration might have planned for his final term. I expect more open announcements and plans around the commodification and industrialization of women's bodies, as conservatives view women as incubators and their children as low-wage workers to keep the upper class comfortable or as cannon fodder for wars.

It seems to me the only possible "benefits" from a Trump administration for radical feminists would be higher regulations and possibly even restrictions on pornography, and some hindrance to the progression of transgender ideology. For the former, I doubt it will happen, and if it does I bet it will be done in the worst way possible where we get the destruction of privacy on the internet. For the latter, this might actually happen. I'm not really sure how much this would really impact neoliberal states though, but at least the administration will not promote that flavor of regressive sexist beliefs—of course they will promote the classic form so I'm not really sure there's much of a win here... People who are using transgenderism as an escape from the conservative rigid sexism are going to view themselves as persecuted. Is there enough mainstream knowledge about gender abolition to get them to realize there is an alternative from the polarized sexism of conservatism (traditional gender roles) and neoliberalism (transgenderism)?

Well, I guess it's time for to prepare for the worst and hope for the best. I suppose women's liberation was never going to be easy.
Clover
Nov 07 2024, 7:00 PM #3

Thanks, Berry. I've updated the OP with those results.

Well now that a day has passed and I have had some time to settle into what my country's future is, I feel like I can actually write out some thoughts. I feel disappointed.

I feel disappointed at the swathes of people who decided a misogynistic failed business man was better for our country than a woman with an established political career. I refuse to believe that misogyny did not play a huge role in the outcome of this election. I am disheartened to see an essential repeat of 2016, actually even worse in some regards.

I feel disappointed at the Democrat party and Biden, the "establishment"; Biden for refusing to be a one-term president like he initially promised, what a massive blunder. The DNC for going along with that instead of just holding a primary so that Democrat voters could pick a candidate they actually wanted. Reading comments yesterday about how Harris basically had a "coronation ceremony" at the DNC really reminded me how fucked up that all was. I'd think that the party that calls themselves democrats, and talks about democracy and saving democracy would realize how tone deaf it is to shoehorn in a candidate we didn't get a say over.

There's more I could write, but I am too tired still. And I feel for myself there is really no point to fret over the past anymore. It's time to accept what happened and do what I can to progress despite setbacks.

I believe it is going to be a harder time for women with this blatantly misogynistic administration we are going to have in January. I still fear the Project 2025 playbook. I have been given no reason to believe they will not go after birth control, chemical abortions, and possibly even no fault divorce. In 2016 when Trump got elected, they told us to not worry about abortion, that it was all just talk, and then Roe v Wade was struck down.

For reproductive rights, women are going to have to continue focus their efforts per state. I think the same will be true for any other misogynistic policies the Trump administration might have planned for his final term. I expect more open announcements and plans around the commodification and industrialization of women's bodies, as conservatives view women as incubators and their children as low-wage workers to keep the upper class comfortable or as cannon fodder for wars.

It seems to me the only possible "benefits" from a Trump administration for radical feminists would be higher regulations and possibly even restrictions on pornography, and some hindrance to the progression of transgender ideology. For the former, I doubt it will happen, and if it does I bet it will be done in the worst way possible where we get the destruction of privacy on the internet. For the latter, this might actually happen. I'm not really sure how much this would really impact neoliberal states though, but at least the administration will not promote that flavor of regressive sexist beliefs—of course they will promote the classic form so I'm not really sure there's much of a win here... People who are using transgenderism as an escape from the conservative rigid sexism are going to view themselves as persecuted. Is there enough mainstream knowledge about gender abolition to get them to realize there is an alternative from the polarized sexism of conservatism (traditional gender roles) and neoliberalism (transgenderism)?

Well, I guess it's time for to prepare for the worst and hope for the best. I suppose women's liberation was never going to be easy.

Yesterday, 2:45 AM
#4
I am disgusted but unsurprised. We are surrounded by not only misogynists and racists, but just complete ignorance and stupidity to the point they don't even understand the supposed monetary policies they are voting for in their gleeful hatred. In addition to the important points raised about the war on women we are facing from the religious right, I'm very concerned for our environment and waters and how women and girls in my state will fare when we already have to hand water our subsistence gardens, and our creeks and streambeds are dry, but rich men can dump more pollutants into our fragile ecosystems and keep their stupid golf courses green and toxic as ever! I am hoping for the silver lining of mutual aid and local activist groups getting more active participants again.
sealwomyn
Yesterday, 2:45 AM #4

I am disgusted but unsurprised. We are surrounded by not only misogynists and racists, but just complete ignorance and stupidity to the point they don't even understand the supposed monetary policies they are voting for in their gleeful hatred. In addition to the important points raised about the war on women we are facing from the religious right, I'm very concerned for our environment and waters and how women and girls in my state will fare when we already have to hand water our subsistence gardens, and our creeks and streambeds are dry, but rich men can dump more pollutants into our fragile ecosystems and keep their stupid golf courses green and toxic as ever! I am hoping for the silver lining of mutual aid and local activist groups getting more active participants again.

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