Discussion Netflix's Kaos (2024) and Caeneus
Discussion Netflix's Kaos (2024) and Caeneus
Mar 22 2025, 12:40 AM
Re your other point - Lisa Marciano reminds us that Jung wrote that if we don't acknowledge the mythicness of our myths they'll run around wreaking havoc on the real world; she thinks gender ideology is an example of this.
Really interesting point about how 'realistic' we want our popular history to be. And analogous to all sorts of things - I was just saying in a 'women in [x]' conference the other day that in my opinion the situation of women in [x] has never been great and is getting worse, so I have zero interest in doing school programmes/outreach to women and girls/etc. because it feels like lying. But is that really the right attitude to take?
Re your other point - Lisa Marciano reminds us that Jung wrote that if we don't acknowledge the mythicness of our myths they'll run around wreaking havoc on the real world; she thinks gender ideology is an example of this.
Apr 16 2025, 5:59 AM
(Mar 22 2025, 12:40 AM)drdee I was just saying in a 'women in [x]' conference the other day that in my opinion the situation of women in [x] has never been great and is getting worse, so I have zero interest in doing school programmes/outreach to women and girls/etc. because it feels like lying. But is that really the right attitude to take?
I think that that's not a good attitude because while I do agree that sugarcoating how bad the situation is doesn't help (I've had it happen in a trades program and it was very frustrating - basically it was mentioned in a hushed roundabout way so as not to scare women off), women still benefit greatly from being in these fields or having an interest in them because they are often denied it and treated with hostility precisely because these skills are so useful and valuable, to keep them reliant on men, and perhaps they can start their own businesses in some cases like they do with a lot of feminine interests. Ultimately, there is no field that doesn't treat women badly, and especially for certain fields that focus on women's looks, we pretty much take it for granted that it'll be rampant with sexual abuse (modelling, acting, singing), not to mention the "stay at home mother" option (where rape isn't even seen as rape because it's within marriage). Keep in mind we're pushing back on a lifetime of socialisation that markets these options to girls and women as desirable and glamorous.
Edited Apr 16 2025, 6:02 AM by YesYourNigel.
I refuse to debate two obvious facts: 1. the patriarchy exists 2. and that's a bad thing
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Apr 16 2025, 5:59 AM #12(Mar 22 2025, 12:40 AM)drdee I was just saying in a 'women in [x]' conference the other day that in my opinion the situation of women in [x] has never been great and is getting worse, so I have zero interest in doing school programmes/outreach to women and girls/etc. because it feels like lying. But is that really the right attitude to take?
I think that that's not a good attitude because while I do agree that sugarcoating how bad the situation is doesn't help (I've had it happen in a trades program and it was very frustrating - basically it was mentioned in a hushed roundabout way so as not to scare women off), women still benefit greatly from being in these fields or having an interest in them because they are often denied it and treated with hostility precisely because these skills are so useful and valuable, to keep them reliant on men, and perhaps they can start their own businesses in some cases like they do with a lot of feminine interests. Ultimately, there is no field that doesn't treat women badly, and especially for certain fields that focus on women's looks, we pretty much take it for granted that it'll be rampant with sexual abuse (modelling, acting, singing), not to mention the "stay at home mother" option (where rape isn't even seen as rape because it's within marriage). Keep in mind we're pushing back on a lifetime of socialisation that markets these options to girls and women as desirable and glamorous.
I refuse to debate two obvious facts: 1. the patriarchy exists 2. and that's a bad thing
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