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Nov 21 2025, 1:36 PM
#11
Iranian state media released video of non hijabi proudly cheering for the ayatollah and against Israel knowing that the footage would be broadcast throughout the Arab and Muslim world. Streetcam scenes look like it’s about half in half.

The only female centered activity might be if the woman had been an abortionist, but you have heard little about that in the past.

The biggest reason they announce executions is over spying and sabotage.
Wrongtoy
Nov 21 2025, 1:36 PM #11

Iranian state media released video of non hijabi proudly cheering for the ayatollah and against Israel knowing that the footage would be broadcast throughout the Arab and Muslim world. Streetcam scenes look like it’s about half in half.

The only female centered activity might be if the woman had been an abortionist, but you have heard little about that in the past.

The biggest reason they announce executions is over spying and sabotage.

Nov 21 2025, 2:52 PM
#12
(Nov 21 2025, 1:36 PM)Wrongtoy Iranian state media released video of non hijabi proudly cheering for the ayatollah and against Israel knowing that the footage would be broadcast throughout the Arab and Muslim world. Streetcam scenes look like it’s about half in half.

The only female centered activity might be if the woman had been an abortionist, but you have heard little about that in the past.

The biggest reason they announce executions is over spying and sabotage.

You're being incredible naive.

A theocratic state, in the wake of a war which was EXISTENTIAL, decided to temporarily ignore their more barbaric laws and show a united front. With the war at Israel being a major issue, Iranians of all types were united against Israel.

That does not mean, once that existential issue is removed, that the same theocrats won't go after women.

If you want an example, look no further than the Ayatollahs doing the same with the left:

https://jacobin.com/2022/10/chahla-chafiq-iranian-left-khomeini-protests-feminism
LeftFem
Nov 21 2025, 2:52 PM #12

(Nov 21 2025, 1:36 PM)Wrongtoy Iranian state media released video of non hijabi proudly cheering for the ayatollah and against Israel knowing that the footage would be broadcast throughout the Arab and Muslim world. Streetcam scenes look like it’s about half in half.

The only female centered activity might be if the woman had been an abortionist, but you have heard little about that in the past.

The biggest reason they announce executions is over spying and sabotage.

You're being incredible naive.

A theocratic state, in the wake of a war which was EXISTENTIAL, decided to temporarily ignore their more barbaric laws and show a united front. With the war at Israel being a major issue, Iranians of all types were united against Israel.

That does not mean, once that existential issue is removed, that the same theocrats won't go after women.

If you want an example, look no further than the Ayatollahs doing the same with the left:

https://jacobin.com/2022/10/chahla-chafiq-iranian-left-khomeini-protests-feminism

Nov 21 2025, 3:41 PM
#13
(Nov 21 2025, 2:52 PM)Oh, but LeftFem
(Nov 21 2025, 1:36 PM)Wrongtoy Iranian state media released video of non hijabi proudly cheering for the ayatollah and against Israel knowing that the footage would be broadcast throughout the Arab and Muslim world. Streetcam scenes look like it’s about half in half.

The only female centered activity might be if the woman had been an abortionist, but you have heard little about that in the past.

The biggest reason they announce executions is over spying and sabotage.

You're being incredible naive.

A theocratic state, in the wake of a war which was EXISTENTIAL, decided to temporarily ignore their more barbaric laws and show a united front. With the war at Israel being a major issue, Iranians of all types were united against Israel.

That does not mean, once that existential issue is removed, that the same theocrats won't go after women.

If you want an example, look no further than the Ayatollahs doing the same with the left:

https://jacobin.com/2022/10/chahla-chafiq-iranian-left-khomeini-protests-feminism

Oh but the threat of Israel totally remains not only existential, but apart.  And disputes over women and their headscarves is a fetish among resident Zionists who obviously permeate WoLF vs filia. Syria is literally run by ex Isis now but they’re playing nice with Israel so you hear little about their human eights transgressions. I suspect strongly that what this woman is accused of isn’t hijab related or even feminist related.
Wrongtoy
Nov 21 2025, 3:41 PM #13

(Nov 21 2025, 2:52 PM)Oh, but LeftFem
(Nov 21 2025, 1:36 PM)Wrongtoy Iranian state media released video of non hijabi proudly cheering for the ayatollah and against Israel knowing that the footage would be broadcast throughout the Arab and Muslim world. Streetcam scenes look like it’s about half in half.

The only female centered activity might be if the woman had been an abortionist, but you have heard little about that in the past.

The biggest reason they announce executions is over spying and sabotage.

You're being incredible naive.

A theocratic state, in the wake of a war which was EXISTENTIAL, decided to temporarily ignore their more barbaric laws and show a united front. With the war at Israel being a major issue, Iranians of all types were united against Israel.

That does not mean, once that existential issue is removed, that the same theocrats won't go after women.

If you want an example, look no further than the Ayatollahs doing the same with the left:

https://jacobin.com/2022/10/chahla-chafiq-iranian-left-khomeini-protests-feminism

Oh but the threat of Israel totally remains not only existential, but apart.  And disputes over women and their headscarves is a fetish among resident Zionists who obviously permeate WoLF vs filia. Syria is literally run by ex Isis now but they’re playing nice with Israel so you hear little about their human eights transgressions. I suspect strongly that what this woman is accused of isn’t hijab related or even feminist related.

Nov 21 2025, 4:20 PM
#14
(Nov 21 2025, 3:41 PM)Wrongtoy
(Nov 21 2025, 2:52 PM)Oh, but LeftFem
(Nov 21 2025, 1:36 PM)Wrongtoy Iranian state media released video of non hijabi proudly cheering for the ayatollah and against Israel knowing that the footage would be broadcast throughout the Arab and Muslim world. Streetcam scenes look like it’s about half in half.

The only female centered activity might be if the woman had been an abortionist, but you have heard little about that in the past.

The biggest reason they announce executions is over spying and sabotage.

You're being incredible naive.

A theocratic state, in the wake of a war which was EXISTENTIAL, decided to temporarily ignore their more barbaric laws and show a united front. With the war at Israel being a major issue, Iranians of all types were united against Israel.

That does not mean, once that existential issue is removed, that the same theocrats won't go after women.

If you want an example, look no further than the Ayatollahs doing the same with the left:

https://jacobin.com/2022/10/chahla-chafiq-iranian-left-khomeini-protests-feminism

Oh but the threat of Israel totally remains not only existential, but apart.  And disputes over women and their headscarves is a fetish among resident Zionists who obviously permeate WoLF vs filia. Syria is literally run by ex Isis now but they’re playing nice with Israel so you hear little about their human eights transgressions. I suspect strongly that what this woman is accused of isn’t hijab related or even feminist related.

I decided to search the site for "Israel" and "Gaza", Israel is mentioned twice, once about the Nordic Model and once in this article saying she was arrested after the war. Gaza is never mentioned. What Zionist residents are you talking about on that site? And if you mean this one, I don't think we have any here....

Syria is run by exactly what you say but weirdly enough, they are not doing what Iran is doing or what Afghanistan has done. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/12/30/maysaa-sabrine-becomes-first-syrian-woman-to-lead-central-bank

Far be it from me to defend the man, but it's obvious he's not doing what the Iran government is doing to women or what Afghanistan are doing.

You strongly suspect what this woman is accused of is not Hijab related. Fine, let's google it, and see. She's been arrested for being part of some group called PMOI.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Mojahedin_Organization_of_Iran

It's a political group that is currently operating out of Albania that believes in women's rights and class struggle. Such an evil Zionist this woman must be really
LeftFem
Nov 21 2025, 4:20 PM #14

(Nov 21 2025, 3:41 PM)Wrongtoy
(Nov 21 2025, 2:52 PM)Oh, but LeftFem
(Nov 21 2025, 1:36 PM)Wrongtoy Iranian state media released video of non hijabi proudly cheering for the ayatollah and against Israel knowing that the footage would be broadcast throughout the Arab and Muslim world. Streetcam scenes look like it’s about half in half.

The only female centered activity might be if the woman had been an abortionist, but you have heard little about that in the past.

The biggest reason they announce executions is over spying and sabotage.

You're being incredible naive.

A theocratic state, in the wake of a war which was EXISTENTIAL, decided to temporarily ignore their more barbaric laws and show a united front. With the war at Israel being a major issue, Iranians of all types were united against Israel.

That does not mean, once that existential issue is removed, that the same theocrats won't go after women.

If you want an example, look no further than the Ayatollahs doing the same with the left:

https://jacobin.com/2022/10/chahla-chafiq-iranian-left-khomeini-protests-feminism

Oh but the threat of Israel totally remains not only existential, but apart.  And disputes over women and their headscarves is a fetish among resident Zionists who obviously permeate WoLF vs filia. Syria is literally run by ex Isis now but they’re playing nice with Israel so you hear little about their human eights transgressions. I suspect strongly that what this woman is accused of isn’t hijab related or even feminist related.

I decided to search the site for "Israel" and "Gaza", Israel is mentioned twice, once about the Nordic Model and once in this article saying she was arrested after the war. Gaza is never mentioned. What Zionist residents are you talking about on that site? And if you mean this one, I don't think we have any here....

Syria is run by exactly what you say but weirdly enough, they are not doing what Iran is doing or what Afghanistan has done. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/12/30/maysaa-sabrine-becomes-first-syrian-woman-to-lead-central-bank

Far be it from me to defend the man, but it's obvious he's not doing what the Iran government is doing to women or what Afghanistan are doing.

You strongly suspect what this woman is accused of is not Hijab related. Fine, let's google it, and see. She's been arrested for being part of some group called PMOI.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Mojahedin_Organization_of_Iran

It's a political group that is currently operating out of Albania that believes in women's rights and class struggle. Such an evil Zionist this woman must be really

Kozlik
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Nov 21 2025, 5:45 PM
#15
Well. I guess it's time to Be A Mod™. The initial interaction between WrongToy and Impress Polly is a perfect instance of why I cannot stand "rule-lawyer robot" style modding. If we just went off the forum rules verbatim, Polly would be the only one technically/literally in the "wrong." But, since I don't like rigidly enforced "rule-lawyer robot modding"...

The issue I see here is a long-standing trend of one user periodically derailing threads with low effort comments that annoy other users, commonly ending up with various users getting frustrated and upset by the derailment and, often times, dismissive nature of the topic being discussed in the thread. I find this somewhat similar to the spiral of unfruitful discussions on Vexxed/Ovarit I've observed, where shitposting regulars can continuously post a dripfeed of ragebait that causes other users to "lose their shit", and then the "other users" are the ones who get in trouble. I'm not interested in encouraging that spiral of trashposting culture.

@WrongToy: this isn't the first time you've derailed threads on the forum, often by minimizing some forms of misogyny. Truthfully, I don't think your initial post in this thread was your "worst" offending post in regards to potential derailing, but I think this is now "2 for 2" on you responding to "calls for actions" on trying to help female people in some way by dismissing/derailing the call to action. The first one was regarding poo-pooing women's efforts to teach English and career skills to women in Afghanistan, where mod action was taken to split your derailing comments into a different thread.

In addition to this, I recall instances of taking criticism of beauty culture and internalized misogyny personally and various slights against women who criticize countries that enforce misogynistic hijab laws and minimizing said misogyny, or slights against Western women volunteering in education programs for Afghani women. [1: "I’m done with their orientalist perspective on how the only thing that matters is the headgear Muslim women wear. Which is always anti feminist according to them.", 2: "But no, this is all about SCARF liberation.", 3: further later comments in that thread continuing to put misogynistic hijab laws vs. Palestinian humanitarian aide crisis in an artificial dichotomy, 4: "The cute little flyers contests urging white western women to mentor teenage girls in English is atrociously dangerous to said girls.", 5: Whatever this comment was, encouragement of reenacting a Handmaid's Tale in Afghanistan..?, 6: more... encouragement of reenacting a Handmaid's Tale in Afghanistan..?] Which you have since done again in this thread with your later comments with LeftFem, seemingly minimizing the fact this Iranian woman is on death row because... Israeli spies, Israel bad, Zionists...? You don't need to shoehorn these topics into every single thread.

TL;DR - Right now, in my mod perspective, you are on thin ice. Not because of just this thread, but because of the overall behaviors listed above; derailing threads and minimizing/dismissing feminist issues that other members find important in favor of prioritizing your own. Continuing the aforementioned behaviors shall result in membership revocation.

@Impress Polly: well... you know your post breaks the forum rules. 🫠 I do sympathize with getting tired of derailments/low effort content. So... spiderman-everybody-gets-one.mov

@everyone: I will say I generally don't want to encourage a culture of insults/personal attacks/etc. on this forum, but... eh. I don't have all the answers. I'm a biased human being; I don't know how to mod "perfectly," if such a thing even exists. I'm aware of that when making this call. As of this moment, I'm more in favor of calling out derailing content/demoralizing behaviors over "rule-lawyering" about civility. That being said, for any member reading, please don't use this judgment call as an endorsement to break civility rules to bludgeon people in the future, please still attempt to use good faith, especially if the member is new and does not have a comment history where you have had to continually repeat to yourself "assume good faith, assume good faith" before engaging. I would still prefer we try to handle these situations diplomatically. Admittedly, I don't know the best way to do that right now.

Forum rules enforcement is essentially vibes-based in favor of whatever promotes constructive discourse and helps increase fruitful engagement.

(As a reminder/tip: the Meta forum is available to create discussions on forum culture, forum rules/guidelines, forum rules enforcement, thoughts/feedback/suggestions on moderation practices, am I modding "too much" or "too little", am I too biased in one direction or another, etc. if anyone is ever interested in discussing topics like this any further.)

I'm not splitting this thread yet to move the derailed part of the discussion into another one as of yet, unless either the derailment continues or if people would prefer it be done anyways to let the thread refocus on female political activist Zahra Tabari being at risk of execution by the Iranian government and what people can possibly do to stop it.

@LeftFem: Thank you for trying to bring back the discussion to Zahra Tabari.
Kozlik
Bahhh 💜🐐
Nov 21 2025, 5:45 PM #15

Well. I guess it's time to Be A Mod™. The initial interaction between WrongToy and Impress Polly is a perfect instance of why I cannot stand "rule-lawyer robot" style modding. If we just went off the forum rules verbatim, Polly would be the only one technically/literally in the "wrong." But, since I don't like rigidly enforced "rule-lawyer robot modding"...

The issue I see here is a long-standing trend of one user periodically derailing threads with low effort comments that annoy other users, commonly ending up with various users getting frustrated and upset by the derailment and, often times, dismissive nature of the topic being discussed in the thread. I find this somewhat similar to the spiral of unfruitful discussions on Vexxed/Ovarit I've observed, where shitposting regulars can continuously post a dripfeed of ragebait that causes other users to "lose their shit", and then the "other users" are the ones who get in trouble. I'm not interested in encouraging that spiral of trashposting culture.

@WrongToy: this isn't the first time you've derailed threads on the forum, often by minimizing some forms of misogyny. Truthfully, I don't think your initial post in this thread was your "worst" offending post in regards to potential derailing, but I think this is now "2 for 2" on you responding to "calls for actions" on trying to help female people in some way by dismissing/derailing the call to action. The first one was regarding poo-pooing women's efforts to teach English and career skills to women in Afghanistan, where mod action was taken to split your derailing comments into a different thread.

In addition to this, I recall instances of taking criticism of beauty culture and internalized misogyny personally and various slights against women who criticize countries that enforce misogynistic hijab laws and minimizing said misogyny, or slights against Western women volunteering in education programs for Afghani women. [1: "I’m done with their orientalist perspective on how the only thing that matters is the headgear Muslim women wear. Which is always anti feminist according to them.", 2: "But no, this is all about SCARF liberation.", 3: further later comments in that thread continuing to put misogynistic hijab laws vs. Palestinian humanitarian aide crisis in an artificial dichotomy, 4: "The cute little flyers contests urging white western women to mentor teenage girls in English is atrociously dangerous to said girls.", 5: Whatever this comment was, encouragement of reenacting a Handmaid's Tale in Afghanistan..?, 6: more... encouragement of reenacting a Handmaid's Tale in Afghanistan..?] Which you have since done again in this thread with your later comments with LeftFem, seemingly minimizing the fact this Iranian woman is on death row because... Israeli spies, Israel bad, Zionists...? You don't need to shoehorn these topics into every single thread.

TL;DR - Right now, in my mod perspective, you are on thin ice. Not because of just this thread, but because of the overall behaviors listed above; derailing threads and minimizing/dismissing feminist issues that other members find important in favor of prioritizing your own. Continuing the aforementioned behaviors shall result in membership revocation.

@Impress Polly: well... you know your post breaks the forum rules. 🫠 I do sympathize with getting tired of derailments/low effort content. So... spiderman-everybody-gets-one.mov

@everyone: I will say I generally don't want to encourage a culture of insults/personal attacks/etc. on this forum, but... eh. I don't have all the answers. I'm a biased human being; I don't know how to mod "perfectly," if such a thing even exists. I'm aware of that when making this call. As of this moment, I'm more in favor of calling out derailing content/demoralizing behaviors over "rule-lawyering" about civility. That being said, for any member reading, please don't use this judgment call as an endorsement to break civility rules to bludgeon people in the future, please still attempt to use good faith, especially if the member is new and does not have a comment history where you have had to continually repeat to yourself "assume good faith, assume good faith" before engaging. I would still prefer we try to handle these situations diplomatically. Admittedly, I don't know the best way to do that right now.

Forum rules enforcement is essentially vibes-based in favor of whatever promotes constructive discourse and helps increase fruitful engagement.

(As a reminder/tip: the Meta forum is available to create discussions on forum culture, forum rules/guidelines, forum rules enforcement, thoughts/feedback/suggestions on moderation practices, am I modding "too much" or "too little", am I too biased in one direction or another, etc. if anyone is ever interested in discussing topics like this any further.)

I'm not splitting this thread yet to move the derailed part of the discussion into another one as of yet, unless either the derailment continues or if people would prefer it be done anyways to let the thread refocus on female political activist Zahra Tabari being at risk of execution by the Iranian government and what people can possibly do to stop it.

@LeftFem: Thank you for trying to bring back the discussion to Zahra Tabari.

Nov 21 2025, 6:11 PM
#16
Wait, wait, I do not see Polly in the wrong as she brought evidence in this specific case, I never claimed to have anything but my preferred opinion and she has offered more ti move this discussion forward.

Now that a basis for trial (ie her involvement with this group) has been established, let’s get to what specifically about women’s rights prompted this extreme action against this particular grandma.
Edited Nov 21 2025, 6:12 PM by Wrongtoy.
Wrongtoy
Nov 21 2025, 6:11 PM #16

Wait, wait, I do not see Polly in the wrong as she brought evidence in this specific case, I never claimed to have anything but my preferred opinion and she has offered more ti move this discussion forward.

Now that a basis for trial (ie her involvement with this group) has been established, let’s get to what specifically about women’s rights prompted this extreme action against this particular grandma.

Yesterday, 2:33 AM
#17
(Nov 21 2025, 6:11 PM)Wrongtoy Wait, wait, I do not see Polly in the wrong as she brought evidence in this specific case, I never claimed to have anything but my preferred opinion and she has offered more ti move this discussion forward.

Now that a basis for trial (ie her involvement with this group) has been established, let’s get to what specifically about women’s rights prompted this extreme action against this particular grandma.

The issue with this is that in cases like this, because of the nature of Iran's government, you will never get an actual answer. They held a 10 minute trial with no cameras, there's no chance we will ever know the actual reason. She could be a murderer, she could be someone who just chose not to wear a Hijab, she could be anything but we would never know. This is why the death sentence in this case, and the trial being a farce, merits protests and people trying to save her, even if any petition or tweets probably won't have an effect. She could be the worst person in the world and she didn't get a fair trial in this case
LeftFem
Yesterday, 2:33 AM #17

(Nov 21 2025, 6:11 PM)Wrongtoy Wait, wait, I do not see Polly in the wrong as she brought evidence in this specific case, I never claimed to have anything but my preferred opinion and she has offered more ti move this discussion forward.

Now that a basis for trial (ie her involvement with this group) has been established, let’s get to what specifically about women’s rights prompted this extreme action against this particular grandma.

The issue with this is that in cases like this, because of the nature of Iran's government, you will never get an actual answer. They held a 10 minute trial with no cameras, there's no chance we will ever know the actual reason. She could be a murderer, she could be someone who just chose not to wear a Hijab, she could be anything but we would never know. This is why the death sentence in this case, and the trial being a farce, merits protests and people trying to save her, even if any petition or tweets probably won't have an effect. She could be the worst person in the world and she didn't get a fair trial in this case

Yesterday, 7:11 PM
#18
Zahra is being condemned for allegedly cooperating with the PMOI/MEK. While most articles in English leave her connections with the organization unclear, I found one describing her as a supporter [1], and another one stating her cousin was executed in 1983 for being a member of it [2].

The following is a quick summary of what this organization stands for:
<<A 10-point manifesto published by the NCRI’s president, Maryam Rajavi, sets out a programme which would transform Iran. In it she states her commitment to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and to other international instruments. She calls for the abolition of the death penalty, the creation of a modern legal system and the independence of judges. (...) Madam Rajavi would end Tehran’s funding of Hamas, Hezbollah and other militant groups and is committed to peaceful coexistence, relations with all countries and respect for the United Nations charter.">>

In short, this group is in complete support of American imperialism over Iran. It was listed as a terrorist organization until the USA changed its mind (nothing new, e.g. Syria's "leader" [3]).

To my knowledge, for this reason Iranians see this group and its members as national traitors. I can/will ask my Arabic friends what information they have about this case, but for now given how Zahra's cousin was a member and her son is in exile [1] advocating for Western intervention in Iran [4], I think the likelihood of her being involved with this terrorist organization is very high.

[1] https://www.buzzsprout.com/1908986/episodes/18152637-zahra-shahbaz-tabari-a-death-sentence-in-ten-minutes
[2] https://www.ncr-iran.org/en/ncri-statements/statement-human-rights/irans-regime-sentences-zahra-tabari-to-death-for-pmoi-ties-call-to-save-political-prisoners/
[3] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-syria-president-white-house-ahmed-al-sharaa-b2867492.html
[4] https://wncri.org/2025/10/30/zahra-tabaris-son-my-hero-mum-not-afraid/

Having said that, the comments on this thread are a clear example of white/Western feminism:
-"Get your head out of your woke ass!"
-"A theocratic state, in the wake of a war which was EXISTENTIAL"
-"because of the nature of Iran's government"
-"It's a political group that is currently operating out of Albania that believes in women's rights and class struggle. Such an evil Zionist this woman must be really" ---this comment could not be more ignorant: that organization has a history of terrorism in Iran and today is a proxy for the USA. Moreover, anyone who calls for foreign intervention in their country is a traitor to the nation.

You are talking over Wrongtoy who probably is from an Arabic country directly in line of fire of American imperialists while you are a Pikerite living in the USA. Read the room. When a Global South comrade gives you perspective of their own country, STFU and listen.
alefia
Yesterday, 7:11 PM #18

Zahra is being condemned for allegedly cooperating with the PMOI/MEK. While most articles in English leave her connections with the organization unclear, I found one describing her as a supporter [1], and another one stating her cousin was executed in 1983 for being a member of it [2].

The following is a quick summary of what this organization stands for:
<<A 10-point manifesto published by the NCRI’s president, Maryam Rajavi, sets out a programme which would transform Iran. In it she states her commitment to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and to other international instruments. She calls for the abolition of the death penalty, the creation of a modern legal system and the independence of judges. (...) Madam Rajavi would end Tehran’s funding of Hamas, Hezbollah and other militant groups and is committed to peaceful coexistence, relations with all countries and respect for the United Nations charter.">>

In short, this group is in complete support of American imperialism over Iran. It was listed as a terrorist organization until the USA changed its mind (nothing new, e.g. Syria's "leader" [3]).

To my knowledge, for this reason Iranians see this group and its members as national traitors. I can/will ask my Arabic friends what information they have about this case, but for now given how Zahra's cousin was a member and her son is in exile [1] advocating for Western intervention in Iran [4], I think the likelihood of her being involved with this terrorist organization is very high.

[1] https://www.buzzsprout.com/1908986/episodes/18152637-zahra-shahbaz-tabari-a-death-sentence-in-ten-minutes
[2] https://www.ncr-iran.org/en/ncri-statements/statement-human-rights/irans-regime-sentences-zahra-tabari-to-death-for-pmoi-ties-call-to-save-political-prisoners/
[3] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-syria-president-white-house-ahmed-al-sharaa-b2867492.html
[4] https://wncri.org/2025/10/30/zahra-tabaris-son-my-hero-mum-not-afraid/

Having said that, the comments on this thread are a clear example of white/Western feminism:
-"Get your head out of your woke ass!"
-"A theocratic state, in the wake of a war which was EXISTENTIAL"
-"because of the nature of Iran's government"
-"It's a political group that is currently operating out of Albania that believes in women's rights and class struggle. Such an evil Zionist this woman must be really" ---this comment could not be more ignorant: that organization has a history of terrorism in Iran and today is a proxy for the USA. Moreover, anyone who calls for foreign intervention in their country is a traitor to the nation.

You are talking over Wrongtoy who probably is from an Arabic country directly in line of fire of American imperialists while you are a Pikerite living in the USA. Read the room. When a Global South comrade gives you perspective of their own country, STFU and listen.

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Yesterday, 9:23 PM
#19
(Yesterday, 7:11 PM)alefia You are talking over Wrongtoy who probably is from an Arabic country directly in line of fire of American imperialists while you are a Pikerite living in the USA. Read the room. When a Global South comrade gives you perspective of their own country, STFU and listen.

:harold: WrongToy is a Korean American... [1][2] And LeftFem, one of the people who is accused of "white feminism" in those quotes, is actually someone who was born in Iran and lived near it... [3]

[1] "I’m Korean, first generation, and I think ppl see 4b out of a living in the west lens."
[2] "I’m a Korean American. This is why we don’t date Korean men."
[3] "I have lived in that general area (Not Iran) and was born there."

Quote:A 10-point manifesto published by the NCRI’s president, Maryam Rajavi, sets out a programme which would transform Iran. In it she states her commitment to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and to other international instruments. She calls for the abolition of the death penalty, the creation of a modern legal system and the independence of judges. (...) Madam Rajavi would end Tehran’s funding of Hamas, Hezbollah and other militant groups and is committed to peaceful coexistence, relations with all countries and respect for the United Nations charter."

Am I supposed to believe this is bad..? I support peaceful policies and I don't support organizations that murder innocent people. (Hamas, Israeli government, etc.) The woman is at risk of execution for the crime of being part of a pacifist-sounding political organization..?

Regardless of if the woman is part of a "terrorist organization" or not, I do not support the death penalty. She does not deserve to die.

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Yesterday, 9:23 PM #19

(Yesterday, 7:11 PM)alefia You are talking over Wrongtoy who probably is from an Arabic country directly in line of fire of American imperialists while you are a Pikerite living in the USA. Read the room. When a Global South comrade gives you perspective of their own country, STFU and listen.

:harold: WrongToy is a Korean American... [1][2] And LeftFem, one of the people who is accused of "white feminism" in those quotes, is actually someone who was born in Iran and lived near it... [3]

[1] "I’m Korean, first generation, and I think ppl see 4b out of a living in the west lens."
[2] "I’m a Korean American. This is why we don’t date Korean men."
[3] "I have lived in that general area (Not Iran) and was born there."

Quote:A 10-point manifesto published by the NCRI’s president, Maryam Rajavi, sets out a programme which would transform Iran. In it she states her commitment to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and to other international instruments. She calls for the abolition of the death penalty, the creation of a modern legal system and the independence of judges. (...) Madam Rajavi would end Tehran’s funding of Hamas, Hezbollah and other militant groups and is committed to peaceful coexistence, relations with all countries and respect for the United Nations charter."

Am I supposed to believe this is bad..? I support peaceful policies and I don't support organizations that murder innocent people. (Hamas, Israeli government, etc.) The woman is at risk of execution for the crime of being part of a pacifist-sounding political organization..?

Regardless of if the woman is part of a "terrorist organization" or not, I do not support the death penalty. She does not deserve to die.


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Today, 12:02 AM
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(Yesterday, 7:11 PM)alefia Zahra is being condemned for allegedly cooperating with the PMOI/MEK. While most articles in English leave her connections with the organization unclear, I found one describing her as a supporter [1], and another one stating her cousin was executed in 1983 for being a member of it [2].

The following is a quick summary of what this organization stands for:
<<A 10-point manifesto published by the NCRI’s president, Maryam Rajavi, sets out a programme which would transform Iran. In it she states her commitment to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and to other international instruments. She calls for the abolition of the death penalty, the creation of a modern legal system and the independence of judges. (...) Madam Rajavi would end Tehran’s funding of Hamas, Hezbollah and other militant groups and is committed to peaceful coexistence, relations with all countries and respect for the United Nations charter.">>

In short, this group is in complete support of American imperialism over Iran. It was listed as a terrorist organization until the USA changed its mind (nothing new, e.g. Syria's "leader" [3]).

To my knowledge, for this reason Iranians see this group and its members as national traitors. I can/will ask my Arabic friends what information they have about this case, but for now given how Zahra's cousin was a member and her son is in exile [1] advocating for Western intervention in Iran [4], I think the likelihood of her being involved with this terrorist organization is very high.

[1] https://www.buzzsprout.com/1908986/episodes/18152637-zahra-shahbaz-tabari-a-death-sentence-in-ten-minutes
[2] https://www.ncr-iran.org/en/ncri-statements/statement-human-rights/irans-regime-sentences-zahra-tabari-to-death-for-pmoi-ties-call-to-save-political-prisoners/
[3] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-syria-president-white-house-ahmed-al-sharaa-b2867492.html
[4] https://wncri.org/2025/10/30/zahra-tabaris-son-my-hero-mum-not-afraid/

Having said that, the comments on this thread are a clear example of white/Western feminism:
-"Get your head out of your woke ass!"
-"A theocratic state, in the wake of a war which was EXISTENTIAL"
-"because of the nature of Iran's government"
-"It's a political group that is currently operating out of Albania that believes in women's rights and class struggle. Such an evil Zionist this woman must be really" ---this comment could not be more ignorant: that organization has a history of terrorism in Iran and today is a proxy for the USA. Moreover, anyone who calls for foreign intervention in their country is a traitor to the nation.

You are talking over Wrongtoy who probably is from an Arabic country directly in line of fire of American imperialists while you are a Pikerite living in the USA. Read the room. When a Global South comrade gives you perspective of their own country, STFU and listen.

Thank you much for this clarification. My guess is that Iranian monarchists in exile are also involved with this org that as you say Iran sees reasonably as a group promoting AmerIsraeli interests. Whatever incited this sentence, it wasn’t a hijab dispute. However, if she is martyred, that’s exactly what AmerIstaeli interests will lead us to believe, that Iran just hung a grandma whose only crime was advocating for women’s rights as opposed to all this way more problematic stuff that you documented about her group. 

Hopefully Iran foresees and forstalls this outcome by just moving this woman into the highest state of solitary confinement for life or several decades, same as we do for Islamic t terrorists at adx Florence.
Edited Today, 12:28 AM by Wrongtoy.
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Today, 12:02 AM #20

(Yesterday, 7:11 PM)alefia Zahra is being condemned for allegedly cooperating with the PMOI/MEK. While most articles in English leave her connections with the organization unclear, I found one describing her as a supporter [1], and another one stating her cousin was executed in 1983 for being a member of it [2].

The following is a quick summary of what this organization stands for:
<<A 10-point manifesto published by the NCRI’s president, Maryam Rajavi, sets out a programme which would transform Iran. In it she states her commitment to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and to other international instruments. She calls for the abolition of the death penalty, the creation of a modern legal system and the independence of judges. (...) Madam Rajavi would end Tehran’s funding of Hamas, Hezbollah and other militant groups and is committed to peaceful coexistence, relations with all countries and respect for the United Nations charter.">>

In short, this group is in complete support of American imperialism over Iran. It was listed as a terrorist organization until the USA changed its mind (nothing new, e.g. Syria's "leader" [3]).

To my knowledge, for this reason Iranians see this group and its members as national traitors. I can/will ask my Arabic friends what information they have about this case, but for now given how Zahra's cousin was a member and her son is in exile [1] advocating for Western intervention in Iran [4], I think the likelihood of her being involved with this terrorist organization is very high.

[1] https://www.buzzsprout.com/1908986/episodes/18152637-zahra-shahbaz-tabari-a-death-sentence-in-ten-minutes
[2] https://www.ncr-iran.org/en/ncri-statements/statement-human-rights/irans-regime-sentences-zahra-tabari-to-death-for-pmoi-ties-call-to-save-political-prisoners/
[3] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-syria-president-white-house-ahmed-al-sharaa-b2867492.html
[4] https://wncri.org/2025/10/30/zahra-tabaris-son-my-hero-mum-not-afraid/

Having said that, the comments on this thread are a clear example of white/Western feminism:
-"Get your head out of your woke ass!"
-"A theocratic state, in the wake of a war which was EXISTENTIAL"
-"because of the nature of Iran's government"
-"It's a political group that is currently operating out of Albania that believes in women's rights and class struggle. Such an evil Zionist this woman must be really" ---this comment could not be more ignorant: that organization has a history of terrorism in Iran and today is a proxy for the USA. Moreover, anyone who calls for foreign intervention in their country is a traitor to the nation.

You are talking over Wrongtoy who probably is from an Arabic country directly in line of fire of American imperialists while you are a Pikerite living in the USA. Read the room. When a Global South comrade gives you perspective of their own country, STFU and listen.

Thank you much for this clarification. My guess is that Iranian monarchists in exile are also involved with this org that as you say Iran sees reasonably as a group promoting AmerIsraeli interests. Whatever incited this sentence, it wasn’t a hijab dispute. However, if she is martyred, that’s exactly what AmerIstaeli interests will lead us to believe, that Iran just hung a grandma whose only crime was advocating for women’s rights as opposed to all this way more problematic stuff that you documented about her group. 

Hopefully Iran foresees and forstalls this outcome by just moving this woman into the highest state of solitary confinement for life or several decades, same as we do for Islamic t terrorists at adx Florence.

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