libfem vs radfem vs tradfem
libfem vs radfem vs tradfem
Feb 5 2025, 1:39 PM
Also I love you American radfems and frankly all Americans protesting Trump right now. None of this is meant to be critical of American individuals, just common patterns I see from Americans online.
AMERICA AND INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS
LIBFEM PERSPECTIVE
- Non-American women would not be better off with America in charge, because America is the worst country in the world.
- We Americans are the worst. The absolute worst. In fact, we're exceptionally terrible! Many of us have a twisted sense of American exceptionalism where instead of the best country in the world, we are literally the worst in the entire world. This typically leads us to stay home and self-flagellate and whine about how much we suck instead of getting up to do productive things like vote, protest, or contact our representatives. We believe that since America is LITERALLY THE WORST COUNTRY EVER we might as well stay home on election night because Harris is just as bad as Trump.
- Everything Trump says about annexing other countries is just a distraction from his war on trans people. There is no reason to take him seriously. We can safely ignore Trump's desire to interfere with and/or annex Canada, Mexico, Greenland, and the Panama Canal because he doesn't mean it, and even if he did mean it trans rights are more important.
- We don't really oppose the oppression of women under Taliban rule, because we feel it's wrong for us to criticize their culture. We are also afraid of being labeled racist/Islamophobic or falling into post-9/11 "protect the women by bombing them" rhetoric, so we choose to just bury our heads in the sand about it. We recognize that this is a complicated issue with no simple solution, so we typically choose to be intellectually lazy about it and refuse to address the issue.
- We frequently trash America and pay lip-service to the idea that we hate American imperialism, but we also expect every country on the planet to conform to standard corporate America diversity training. We think it is fine to impose American words/concepts like "Latinx" on Spanish speakers globally. We think it is fine to force the entire online Anglosphere to conform to our norms/culture and to shut up about their own social/political issues to talk about ours. We believe we are immune to American imperialism because we are the good guys, and only the bad guys are capable of American imperialism.
- We frequently accuse women of being white feminists for not pandering to libfeminism. We do not see the irony in calling women "white feminists" for disagreeing with our predominately white American politics. We love calling WOC white feminists, and we especially love calling non-American WOC white feminists. We call African women white feminists for caring about FGM, we call Indian women white feminists for focusing on women+girls instead of hijras, and we call South Korean women white feminists for not centering trans women in 4B.
RADFEM PERSPECTIVE
- Non-American women would not be better off with America in charge, because America interfering in the sovereignty of other countries has literally never ended well for those countries. Non-American women typically do not want the American government to interfere in their democracies because nothing America does will actually be in their best interest. American women and Non-American women can be allies and friends, but it is important to not cross the line into questioning the sovereignty of other countries in the name of "feminism".
- Trump is dangerous. It's important not to spiral into panic every time he says crazy shit, but it's also not wise to bury our heads in the sand and ignore it.Â
- Canada is not a communist country. Canada is a fairly neoliberal country and very similar to America politically and culturally. Justin Trudeau is not a scary communist dictator, he is a democratically elected Liberal who is pretty similar to the average Democrat. Furthermore, Trudeau has already decided to step down as party leader due to his unpopularity and is currently just acting as party leader while the Liberals choose a new leader. Canada is currently experiencing many issues such as a housing crisis, an overwhelmed healthcare system, and rampant gender ideology. However, Canada is a sovereign country and does not need America to "fix" those issues. Trump does not want to save or help Canadian women, Trump wants access to Canada's natural resources and control over Canada's arctic regions and will use any justification he can think of as a casus belli. Today it's fentanyl and "cartel activity", next year it may be "wokeism" and gender ideology.
- We oppose the oppression of women under Taliban rule. However, most of us also recognize that America meddling in other countries often makes things worse. We often struggle to find a good solution here, because we recognize that this is a complicated situation that can't be solved by America simply bombing them until they treat the women better. Even if there is no simple solution, it's still good to talk about the situation and look for potential solutions. We need to find a balance between helping women globally vs allowing America to act as world police.
- American imperialism is not radfeminist or good for women in any way. Women are frequently victimized in wars, conflicts, and times of economic instability. Radfeminists do not support American imperialism. American imperialism harms women globally.
- We typically define "white feminism" as the tendency of feminist movements to center the concerns of white women. Libfems often weaponize this concept to deplatform women they disagree with. And then tradfems often weaponize this libfem weaponization to deplatform WOC who have valid things to say about race. It's important for radfems to push back on the libfem tendency to shut down conversations with "white feminist" accusations, but we also need to avoid going full tradfem and shutting down every conversation about white feminism.
TRADFEM
- Non-American women may be better off with America in charge, because America is strong enough to stamp out woke corruption once and for all. Non-American women are sick of their woke, communist governments and it may be in their best interests for America to interfere in their "democracies". Trump wants to help women in these countries by ending radical trans ideology, communism, and authoritarianism.
- Everything Trump says about annexing other countries is just blustering. There is no reason to take him seriously. We can safely ignore Trump's desire to interfere with and/or annex Canada, Mexico, Greenland, and the Panama Canal because he doesn't mean it, and even if he did mean it eradicating libfeminism is more important.
- Canada is a communist shithole. Justin Trudeau is is a communist/Marxist/socialist dictator. Canada is literally the most woke country on the planet. We don't openly condone the annexation of Canada because we recognize that would cross the line for a lot of people, but we frequently push rhetoric that "Tranada" is "doomed", a "shithole", "already collapsed", "destroyed by gender ideology" and "communist/Marxist/socialist". Some of us may soon begin suggesting that Canada might be better off if we annexed them, because then we could save Canadian women from woke communism. Canadian women might be better off with America in charge, because Trump would end gender ideology.
- We oppose the oppression of women under Taliban rule. We believe it would be very simple for America to liberate these women, and we will support any interference in the Middle East as long as it is advertised as "protecting women".
- American's current administration is anti-libfem and pro-woman, therefore American imperialism can help spread pro-woman rhetoric worldwide. Women in other countries need our guidance to succeed. American women ended trans ideology by getting Trump elected, therefore other feminist movements in other countries must look to us as leaders and follow our example. Feminist movements that don't follow our example are libfems.
- We think that white feminism isn't necessarily a bad thing. White women, and especially white American women, should be centered in feminism because they are the default women. When WOC talk about white feminism, we automatically shut down the conversation and refuse to listen because they are being intentionally divisive and trying to derail our movement.
footnotes:
N/A
history:
posted 2/5/2025
edited 2/5/2025Â - minor corrections
edited 2/6/2025Â - additions
with help from:
thanks @ShameMustChangeSides! view her post here.
Edited Feb 6 2025, 7:32 PM by Possum.
Note: I am not American, so this is 100% based on my observations of Americans. Very open to feedback on this one. Also this is very Canada based for now because that's the rhetoric I personally notice, would love to add common rhetoric directed toward other countries as well (esp Mexico, Greenland, and Panama).
Also I love you American radfems and frankly all Americans protesting Trump right now. None of this is meant to be critical of American individuals, just common patterns I see from Americans online.
AMERICA AND INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS
LIBFEM PERSPECTIVE
- Non-American women would not be better off with America in charge, because America is the worst country in the world.
- We Americans are the worst. The absolute worst. In fact, we're exceptionally terrible! Many of us have a twisted sense of American exceptionalism where instead of the best country in the world, we are literally the worst in the entire world. This typically leads us to stay home and self-flagellate and whine about how much we suck instead of getting up to do productive things like vote, protest, or contact our representatives. We believe that since America is LITERALLY THE WORST COUNTRY EVER we might as well stay home on election night because Harris is just as bad as Trump.
- Everything Trump says about annexing other countries is just a distraction from his war on trans people. There is no reason to take him seriously. We can safely ignore Trump's desire to interfere with and/or annex Canada, Mexico, Greenland, and the Panama Canal because he doesn't mean it, and even if he did mean it trans rights are more important.
- We don't really oppose the oppression of women under Taliban rule, because we feel it's wrong for us to criticize their culture. We are also afraid of being labeled racist/Islamophobic or falling into post-9/11 "protect the women by bombing them" rhetoric, so we choose to just bury our heads in the sand about it. We recognize that this is a complicated issue with no simple solution, so we typically choose to be intellectually lazy about it and refuse to address the issue.
- We frequently trash America and pay lip-service to the idea that we hate American imperialism, but we also expect every country on the planet to conform to standard corporate America diversity training. We think it is fine to impose American words/concepts like "Latinx" on Spanish speakers globally. We think it is fine to force the entire online Anglosphere to conform to our norms/culture and to shut up about their own social/political issues to talk about ours. We believe we are immune to American imperialism because we are the good guys, and only the bad guys are capable of American imperialism.
- We frequently accuse women of being white feminists for not pandering to libfeminism. We do not see the irony in calling women "white feminists" for disagreeing with our predominately white American politics. We love calling WOC white feminists, and we especially love calling non-American WOC white feminists. We call African women white feminists for caring about FGM, we call Indian women white feminists for focusing on women+girls instead of hijras, and we call South Korean women white feminists for not centering trans women in 4B.
RADFEM PERSPECTIVE
- Non-American women would not be better off with America in charge, because America interfering in the sovereignty of other countries has literally never ended well for those countries. Non-American women typically do not want the American government to interfere in their democracies because nothing America does will actually be in their best interest. American women and Non-American women can be allies and friends, but it is important to not cross the line into questioning the sovereignty of other countries in the name of "feminism".
- Trump is dangerous. It's important not to spiral into panic every time he says crazy shit, but it's also not wise to bury our heads in the sand and ignore it.Â
- Canada is not a communist country. Canada is a fairly neoliberal country and very similar to America politically and culturally. Justin Trudeau is not a scary communist dictator, he is a democratically elected Liberal who is pretty similar to the average Democrat. Furthermore, Trudeau has already decided to step down as party leader due to his unpopularity and is currently just acting as party leader while the Liberals choose a new leader. Canada is currently experiencing many issues such as a housing crisis, an overwhelmed healthcare system, and rampant gender ideology. However, Canada is a sovereign country and does not need America to "fix" those issues. Trump does not want to save or help Canadian women, Trump wants access to Canada's natural resources and control over Canada's arctic regions and will use any justification he can think of as a casus belli. Today it's fentanyl and "cartel activity", next year it may be "wokeism" and gender ideology.
- We oppose the oppression of women under Taliban rule. However, most of us also recognize that America meddling in other countries often makes things worse. We often struggle to find a good solution here, because we recognize that this is a complicated situation that can't be solved by America simply bombing them until they treat the women better. Even if there is no simple solution, it's still good to talk about the situation and look for potential solutions. We need to find a balance between helping women globally vs allowing America to act as world police.
- American imperialism is not radfeminist or good for women in any way. Women are frequently victimized in wars, conflicts, and times of economic instability. Radfeminists do not support American imperialism. American imperialism harms women globally.
- We typically define "white feminism" as the tendency of feminist movements to center the concerns of white women. Libfems often weaponize this concept to deplatform women they disagree with. And then tradfems often weaponize this libfem weaponization to deplatform WOC who have valid things to say about race. It's important for radfems to push back on the libfem tendency to shut down conversations with "white feminist" accusations, but we also need to avoid going full tradfem and shutting down every conversation about white feminism.
TRADFEM
- Non-American women may be better off with America in charge, because America is strong enough to stamp out woke corruption once and for all. Non-American women are sick of their woke, communist governments and it may be in their best interests for America to interfere in their "democracies". Trump wants to help women in these countries by ending radical trans ideology, communism, and authoritarianism.
- Everything Trump says about annexing other countries is just blustering. There is no reason to take him seriously. We can safely ignore Trump's desire to interfere with and/or annex Canada, Mexico, Greenland, and the Panama Canal because he doesn't mean it, and even if he did mean it eradicating libfeminism is more important.
- Canada is a communist shithole. Justin Trudeau is is a communist/Marxist/socialist dictator. Canada is literally the most woke country on the planet. We don't openly condone the annexation of Canada because we recognize that would cross the line for a lot of people, but we frequently push rhetoric that "Tranada" is "doomed", a "shithole", "already collapsed", "destroyed by gender ideology" and "communist/Marxist/socialist". Some of us may soon begin suggesting that Canada might be better off if we annexed them, because then we could save Canadian women from woke communism. Canadian women might be better off with America in charge, because Trump would end gender ideology.
- We oppose the oppression of women under Taliban rule. We believe it would be very simple for America to liberate these women, and we will support any interference in the Middle East as long as it is advertised as "protecting women".
- American's current administration is anti-libfem and pro-woman, therefore American imperialism can help spread pro-woman rhetoric worldwide. Women in other countries need our guidance to succeed. American women ended trans ideology by getting Trump elected, therefore other feminist movements in other countries must look to us as leaders and follow our example. Feminist movements that don't follow our example are libfems.
- We think that white feminism isn't necessarily a bad thing. White women, and especially white American women, should be centered in feminism because they are the default women. When WOC talk about white feminism, we automatically shut down the conversation and refuse to listen because they are being intentionally divisive and trying to derail our movement.
footnotes:
N/A
history:
posted 2/5/2025
edited 2/5/2025Â - minor corrections
edited 2/6/2025Â - additions
with help from:
thanks @ShameMustChangeSides! view her post here.
