I Founded Girls Who Code. Now I’m Worried About Boys

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Article I Founded Girls Who Code. Now I’m Worried About Boys

Egret

Jun 10 2025, 4:22 AM

Article by Founder of Girls Who Code

I don’t know if I’m being curmudgeonly or not but this just ticked me off for some reason. The majority of computer scientists are still men. What do you guys think about this article? Does she make any good points that I’m overlooking? Sometimes I just think endless empathy with be the death of us.

Edited Jun 10 2025, 4:23 AM by Egret.

Egret

Jun 10 2025, 4:22 AM #1

Elsacat

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Jun 10 2025, 7:28 AM

She makes some good points but I wish she'd put more emphasis on men needing to step up. Where are the men? Why is it on women to handle all this for men and boys as well as women and girls? We can't just abandon boys to be raised by the internet and gaming and the manosphere, but men seem to not want to step up to the responsibility, while blaming women at the same time. Men are too busy wanting to be mommied and catered to, and don't seem to care if boys are getting the male role modeling and influence they need.

Elsacat

Jun 10 2025, 7:28 AM #2

Clover
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Jun 10 2025, 10:05 AM

Quote:We need public investment in youth mental health. We need a “Men Who Nurse” and a “Guys Who Teach,” pipeline programs that can offer boys real pathways forward in fields that desperately need them.

[...]

We need to start asking our boys better questions. How are you feeling? What’s been hard for you? Who do you trust? What scares you?

And when they struggle to answer, we can’t shut down. We need to help boys and men build the language necessary for them to live full, happy lives.

Okay. Who is "we"? Because nothing is stopping men from going and doing these things, but it sounds like all the burden is going to be put on women and girls. There is the phrase "you can't help someone who isn't willing to help themselves." This applies to the male class. Why is this this article acting like women don't have endless empathy and doormat-like behavior when it comes to men in general?

As if there aren't swathes of female teachers reporting that boys in classrooms are completely brainrotted on porn and Andrew Tate, spouting to their female teachers and fellow female students that they don't have to listen to women and other putrid misogynistic shit.

I dislike how the article title seems to equate women succeeding in STEM and furthering their careers to boys devolving into rape apes. As if women's rights are the reason boys and men behave like degenerates.

Edited Jun 10 2025, 10:05 AM by Clover.

Clover

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Jun 10 2025, 10:05 AM #3

Quote:We need public investment in youth mental health. We need a “Men Who Nurse” and a “Guys Who Teach,” pipeline programs that can offer boys real pathways forward in fields that desperately need them.

[...]

We need to start asking our boys better questions. How are you feeling? What’s been hard for you? Who do you trust? What scares you?

And when they struggle to answer, we can’t shut down. We need to help boys and men build the language necessary for them to live full, happy lives.

skunk

Jun 10 2025, 11:43 AM

It's fair it pissed you off, it was not a good article. The only point I can really agree with in there is that boys need to actually be raised. I agree that they need to be taught empathy and how to not be shitty little monsters. However, even the role model thing is bothersome because boys have TONS of positive role models. Theyre not going into the manosphere bullshit because of a lack of role models, they're doing it due to societal misogyny that virtually no one is doing anything about, particularly when misogynistic ideals are being pushed by both political parties.

It's pretty upsetting that the founder of Girls Who Code is apparently unaware, or doesn't care, that the amount of women in computing has only DECLINED since 1990. That's already 3 DECADES worth of declining representation in a field where women were already scarce to begin with. On top of that, from all the STEM fields out there, computing and programming has the most abyssmal rates of female representation and some of the highest rates of misogynistic harassment and abuse towards women. The overwhelming vast majority of people working in computers are still men. The overwhelming vast majority of people getting computer science degrees are still men. Men are not discriminated against when trying to get a job in the field , trying to get a promotion, or even just trying to get a point across in a meeting. They're not underrepresented or discriminated against in any way whatsoever. And at a time when tech is so pertinent to everyone's lives and we've got AI already being used to spread misogynistic garbage across the internet, it is insane to genuinely believe we need to focus on boys and men now when we are still in desperate need of more representation and support for girls and women. ESPECIALLY in this field.

While I have nothing against trying to increase boys' interest in fields like teaching and nursing, as I believe most fields would be relatively equal if we didn't paint certain fields as "womens" and "mens" fields, I also think it's absurd to believe we need actual programs for them. Men are not discriminated against when it comes to getting teaching or nursing degrees and they are most definitely not discriminated against when it comes to hiring and promoting for those jobs. As a matter of fact, men do SO WELL in traditionally "female oriented" careers, where they get hired more easily and promoted way faster than they're female counterparts, that there's a name for it: the glass elevator.

Edited Jun 10 2025, 11:47 AM by skunk.

skunk

Jun 10 2025, 11:43 AM #4

Egret

Jun 10 2025, 4:25 PM

(Jun 10 2025, 11:43 AM)skunk It's fair it pissed you off, it was not a good article. The only point I can really agree with in there is that boys need to actually be raised. I agree that they need to be taught empathy and how to not be shitty little monsters. However, even the role model thing is bothersome because boys have TONS of positive role models. Theyre not going into the manosphere bullshit because of a lack of role models, they're doing it due to societal misogyny that virtually no one is doing anything about, particularly when misogynistic ideals are being pushed by both political parties.

It's pretty upsetting that the founder of Girls Who Code is apparently unaware, or doesn't care, that the amount of women in computing has only DECLINED since 1990. That's already 3 DECADES worth of declining representation in a field where women were already scarce to begin with. On top of that, from all the STEM fields out there, computing and programming has the most abyssmal rates of female representation and some of the highest rates of misogynistic harassment and abuse towards women. The overwhelming vast majority of people working in computers are still men. The overwhelming vast majority of people getting computer science degrees are still men. Men are not discriminated against when trying to get a job in the field , trying to get a promotion, or even just trying to get a point across in a meeting. They're not underrepresented or discriminated against in any way whatsoever. And at a time when tech is so pertinent to everyone's lives and we've got AI already being used to spread misogynistic garbage across the internet, it is insane to genuinely believe we need to focus on boys and men now when we are still in desperate need of more representation and support for girls and women. ESPECIALLY in this field.

While I have nothing against trying to increase boys' interest in fields like teaching and nursing, as I believe most fields would be relatively equal if we didn't paint certain fields as "womens" and "mens" fields, I also think it's absurd to believe we need actual programs for them. Men are not discriminated against when it comes to getting teaching or nursing degrees and they are most definitely not discriminated against when it comes to hiring and promoting for those jobs. As a matter of fact, men do SO WELL in traditionally "female oriented" careers, where they get hired more easily and promoted way faster than they're female counterparts, that there's a name for it: the glass elevator.

The role model thing made me mad as well. We could use more male elementary school teachers but the pay is shit so why would they even want that job. I’m a woman in stem and I had NO female role models. All of my hero’s and the people I looked up to were men, all but one of my science teachers in school were men, all but two of my science teachers throughout 4 years of college were men. I got a job in a lab during college and it was me and 11 men. I ALSO grew up being told not to cry or express my emotions like (shocker) many women actually are. It’s a cultural thing. Even if women are emotional, they are still looked down on for it! Some of these men genuinely think they are the czars of all deep emotions and it is just really odd. There has never been epidemic of women making rape jokes about men and talking about wanting them to be enslaved online even 100 years ago. I mean the absolute heinous things I’ve heard boys say online and women just go “they have no role models!”Men still make up the vast majority of stem fields and I don’t see why some people freak out because 5% more women go to college or something. Any Little Rock in the boat and we all flip out. We talk more about a “male loneliness epidemic” in the US than sex trafficked women.

Edited Jun 12 2025, 12:52 AM by Egret.

Egret

Jun 10 2025, 4:25 PM #5

(Jun 10 2025, 11:43 AM)skunk It's fair it pissed you off, it was not a good article. The only point I can really agree with in there is that boys need to actually be raised. I agree that they need to be taught empathy and how to not be shitty little monsters. However, even the role model thing is bothersome because boys have TONS of positive role models. Theyre not going into the manosphere bullshit because of a lack of role models, they're doing it due to societal misogyny that virtually no one is doing anything about, particularly when misogynistic ideals are being pushed by both political parties.

It's pretty upsetting that the founder of Girls Who Code is apparently unaware, or doesn't care, that the amount of women in computing has only DECLINED since 1990. That's already 3 DECADES worth of declining representation in a field where women were already scarce to begin with. On top of that, from all the STEM fields out there, computing and programming has the most abyssmal rates of female representation and some of the highest rates of misogynistic harassment and abuse towards women. The overwhelming vast majority of people working in computers are still men. The overwhelming vast majority of people getting computer science degrees are still men. Men are not discriminated against when trying to get a job in the field , trying to get a promotion, or even just trying to get a point across in a meeting. They're not underrepresented or discriminated against in any way whatsoever. And at a time when tech is so pertinent to everyone's lives and we've got AI already being used to spread misogynistic garbage across the internet, it is insane to genuinely believe we need to focus on boys and men now when we are still in desperate need of more representation and support for girls and women. ESPECIALLY in this field.

While I have nothing against trying to increase boys' interest in fields like teaching and nursing, as I believe most fields would be relatively equal if we didn't paint certain fields as "womens" and "mens" fields, I also think it's absurd to believe we need actual programs for them. Men are not discriminated against when it comes to getting teaching or nursing degrees and they are most definitely not discriminated against when it comes to hiring and promoting for those jobs. As a matter of fact, men do SO WELL in traditionally "female oriented" careers, where they get hired more easily and promoted way faster than they're female counterparts, that there's a name for it: the glass elevator.

YesYourNigel

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Jun 11 2025, 12:22 AM

Quote:men do SO WELL in traditionally "female oriented" careers, where they get hired more easily and promoted way faster than they're female counterparts, that there's a name for it: the glass elevator.

This isn't even surprising for anyone who actually looks at the world around them instead of being stuck in libfem "what if" musings and theorising that tries to invent some kind of misandrist superpartner particle with absolutely no reflection on reality. Look who's on top of every female field: teaching, fashion, cooking...it's men. Men, men, men. Men all the way to the top, rich and super famous men (many more famous than the women despite having to dry their tears with money from the difficulties of doing such unmasculine work), more and more men the higher up you go. Even when the patriarchy tries to sell us the "separate but equal" horseshit and liberals try to push the "patriarchy hurts men, too" angle, men can't help but still hog all the money, power and influence, but we're all supposed to pity them because sth sth First World Problems.
Same with colleges. Oh no, the poor mens are not entering college...but guess who's still getting freebie opportunities on a silver platter without any formal education because they just have that much invisible potential, even when there are female candidates with far better qualifications and actual college degrees?

How are all these men so sad and poor and persecuted and yet STILL HOGGING ALL THE POWER AND MONEY?! HOW? How is it that literally every single hardship and oppression that men try to invent still fills their pockets and has everyone worship them?? Make it make sense!!!

Holy shit can us women have ANY of this so-called 🥺discrimination and hardship boo-hoo 🥺 that not only doesn't result in any negative effect to our well-being but actually literally keeps us on top of everyone else on a massive societal level?!

But oh it's so hard when people expect me to put some work in and actually do shit, if only I was seen as an incompetent subhuman bangmaid so I could climb the corporate ladder via DEI and my predatory boss while lazing around, and end up on top that's...oh...actually filled only with men...hm...

Quote:We talk more about a “male loneliness epidemic” in the US than sex trafficked women.

And people use that male loneliness to justify why women need to be trafficked into rape industries and why women should be tricked into dating male supremacists who will continue to dehumanise, rape and beat them. Wake me up when men start talking about issues that are actual issues and the solution isn't to just to sabotage, enslave, rape and dehumanise women further because human rights make men feel sad :,(

Also seconded that men should learn to look up to women for a change, like how women had to for men, instead of demanding special male Übermensch to get them off their asses while they continue to see us as subhumans and form their little boy clubs even in female-dominated industries that they then use to boost themselves to the top. Reminds me of Jordan Peterson and how he's practically deified for literally telling men the same shit their mum has been telling them all their life (make your fucking bed in the morning), but this guy has a penis so that makes the exact same thing an enlightening revelation now instead of "nagging".

I can't believe how many people think the solution to the patriarchy isn't to get men to see women as human beings but rather to just learn to better exploit female niches via their male supremacist cronies, and the only thing that "equal human beings" gets used for is to pressure women to take men at their word when they claim they have the same problems as women, so shut up. Also boo-hoo male hierarchies only give you basic peivileges but statistically can't have every single man to take the position of king of the universe, so women who are seen as nothing more than bang maids for men should feel bad and privileged because of that.

Edited Jun 12 2025, 10:08 AM by YesYourNigel.

YesYourNigel

Jun 11 2025, 12:22 AM #6

Quote:men do SO WELL in traditionally "female oriented" careers, where they get hired more easily and promoted way faster than they're female counterparts, that there's a name for it: the glass elevator.

Quote:We talk more about a “male loneliness epidemic” in the US than sex trafficked women.

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