Wrongtoy, you are lacking some very basic, fundamental understanding of radical feminism, and also any feminism. Namely, that internalised misogyny exists, that choice feminism isn't the "gotcha" to all misogyny, and that feminism is there to address all issues of sexism rather than just the most extreme directly life-threatening ones.
Quote:Is wearing a shirt anti feminist then?
YES! The demand for women to cover up while men don't is absolutely rooted in misogyny. There is no other explanation for it.
Quote:It isn’t required for females to wear one in public in California. Yet the overwhelming majority does regardless of the weather
Because they would get sexually harassed or assaulted if they didn't! Every woman knows this is how men are going to punish them if they don't cover up.
Quote:that’s more a social convention than in either Palestine or Iran as seen here https://x.com/Seamus_Malek/status/1933681077765263669 or Hind Khordary here https://x.com/jadaliyya/status/1801672279295697155. The latter is the most famous female journo in Gaza.
Iran literally has a secret police to enforce hijab, and has had protests against it where women have gotten hurt and disappeared for refusing to wear it.
It isn't illegal in Gaza, but the vast majority wear it because of conservative Islamic sentiment.
Quote:The most salient feminist issue in Gaza isn’t about who dons a scarf, it’s the incessant suggestion that the us needs to “liberate women.”
Warmongering and invasions are never done to liberate women. Men don't actually give a shit about women's rights violations beyond trying to portray another group of men as savages so they could invade them and steal their stuff and rape their women. This does not mean that the misogyny inherent in these other groups isn't real, or worse than back home. Islamic countries genuinely are horribly misogynistic. Rather it means that the proposed "solution" is not a solution by any means, because its purpose is not to help women. It's for that same reason I wouldn't support my government invading North Korea, because I know it'd have nothing to do with liberating anyone.
Quote:Back when I had my mastectomy for cancer, I did consider just not doing the reconstruction. It wouldn’t have stopped everyone from looking. Whether with fake moons which I have or a chest scar I wouldn’t be comfortable in public without a shirt.
First, shame around masectomy has absolutely nothing to do with women not showing their breasts. Most women did not have masectomy, so trying to use your specific circumstance to explain this choice in women makes no sense. Also plenty of women do actually make use of their ability to go shirtless once they have a masectomy.
Second, women internalising the idea that their chest is shameful and akin to genitals is not proof of this being freely chosen. Women being compacent in misogynistic practices is not proof of these practices not being misogynistic. That's choice-feminism bullshit. It's even worse in this case because even normal "nice" men are not shy about threatening and excusing rape and sexual assault towards women if they don't wear a shirt outside.
Quote:Theres so much backlash against western feminism toward the me bc it focuses on literal clothing as opposed to universal feminist and human rights. Like pads, prenatals and baby formula. I’m sorry but that’s the bare minimum in human rights. Not whether women wear a scarf or not.
Feminism is not about the most basic rights imaginable for women. Many incredibly backwards patriarchal societies will agree that women shouldn't just be exterminated. But guess what, these women will still get raped, still be excluded from jobs, still be pushed into being breeding stock for men. Claiming that only the most extreme indiscriminate murdering is the only issue feminism should possibly focus on is incredibly ignorant. Furthermore, it is often all these normal everyday misogynistic signifiers and practices that women are forced into all their lives that feed into a general disdain of women that limits their lives and brainwashes them into "choosing" unequal patriarchal relationships and a state of learned helplessness.
Quote:So is it internalized nonfeminism that prompted me to get the whole reconstruction then? I’m still not showing them even if the scars don’t show.
You're claiming you had your breasts reconstructed, but also that you're not comfortable showing them? Yes, no shit, you're not supposed to show your breasts in a patriarchal society. You feeling uncomfortable doing that is a feature, not a bug. It also makes your point even more ridiculous - it's not even that you're lacking breasts and still covering them up, you have what looks like female breasts and are keenly aware of the violence that showing them would induce, and are somehow trying to deceptively portray that as your free choice that is oooh so mysterious and unique to you.
Quote:You can search downtown Tehran scenes and a lot of the women are not in hijab.
And they risk being detained by the police for it. I don't know how much more evidence you need of this being a misogynistic practice than THE FUCKING SECRET POLICE ENFORCING THE LAW FOR HIJAB! Cherry-picking a few women online who forego this doesn't disprove this misogynistic practice.
There is no reason to make excuses for hijab because even the misogynistic practice of hijab itself does not justify invasion and war crimes.
Quote:The salient and immediate issue is that those in Palestine don’t have pads, or prenatal, or baby formula for when they can’t breastfeed due to malnutrition. It’s all about priorities and this is the top one.
Women's rights are always halted by "priorities", and conservative women are trained to attack and dismiss younger liberal women as spoiled and misguided the second they demand more than the barest minimum of not being murdered.
Are you going to say anything about the shitty treatment of Islamic women once the attacks on Gaza stop and the priority turns from immediate danger to one's life to all the usual garbage Islamic cultures force onto women? Given how you're treating Iran and excusing Islamic misogynistic practices, my guess is no. The threat to women's lives, which conveniently most men who see themselves as owners of these women will also agree is bad, is a nice derailment from the more uncomfortable criticism of "normal" everyday cultural ideas in place about women being sex objects, breeding stock and property of men.
