Don’t talk to me about local hijab customs when Israel is banning baby formula, ok?

clovenhooves The Personal Is Political General Don’t talk to me about local hijab customs when Israel is banning baby formula, ok?

Don’t talk to me about local hijab customs when Israel is banning baby formula, ok?

Don’t talk to me about local hijab customs when Israel is banning baby formula, ok?

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Wrongtoy

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Jul 7 2025, 11:09 PM

#1

Multiple overseas doctors have said they cannot even bring in baby milk on their person while allowed adult anesthetic and saline and other standards for basic or care. It is just baby milk. And their mothers have no milk as their bodies deprioritized lactation as their bodies started cannibalizing muscle to survive, Women at this stage of starvation are increasingly miscarrying, that is if Israel with its us artillery doesnt burn their tent. First. Eventually, they will be so starved they won’t need pads, or rather tent cloth washed out in brackish unfiltered water. Because Israel has denied those too.

Women and children first when it comes to starving them. Make the aid a free for all where only men can fight for it while of course Israelis and Americans shoot them. If you aren’t male, you physically don’t have a chance in these conditions.

But the ziofeminists don’t focus on that at all but on the hijab. As if that is the top feminist issue.

Edited Jul 8 2025, 6:22 AM by Wrongtoy.

Wrongtoy

Jul 7 2025, 11:09 PM #1

Multiple overseas doctors have said they cannot even bring in baby milk on their person while allowed adult anesthetic and saline and other standards for basic or care. It is just baby milk. And their mothers have no milk as their bodies deprioritized lactation as their bodies started cannibalizing muscle to survive, Women at this stage of starvation are increasingly miscarrying, that is if Israel with its us artillery doesnt burn their tent. First. Eventually, they will be so starved they won’t need pads, or rather tent cloth washed out in brackish unfiltered water. Because Israel has denied those too.

Women and children first when it comes to starving them. Make the aid a free for all where only men can fight for it while of course Israelis and Americans shoot them. If you aren’t male, you physically don’t have a chance in these conditions.

But the ziofeminists don’t focus on that at all but on the hijab. As if that is the top feminist issue.

OffMyTit

68

Jul 8 2025, 6:53 AM

#2

There is nothing feminist about war, even when it is a crusade against believers of a misogynist religion. I can’t bear to watch the news.

OffMyTit

Jul 8 2025, 6:53 AM #2

There is nothing feminist about war, even when it is a crusade against believers of a misogynist religion. I can’t bear to watch the news.

Elsacat

408

Jul 8 2025, 8:37 AM

#3

I don't know why it's so hard for so many to understand: People can hate both the violence of Hamas on Oct 7 2023 and also hate what Israel is doing to Gaza. To hate and fear and speak out against one is not to support the other.

Elsacat

Jul 8 2025, 8:37 AM #3

I don't know why it's so hard for so many to understand: People can hate both the violence of Hamas on Oct 7 2023 and also hate what Israel is doing to Gaza. To hate and fear and speak out against one is not to support the other.

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Jul 8 2025, 10:39 AM

#4

(Jul 8 2025, 8:37 AM)Elsacat I don't know why it's so hard for so many to understand: People can hate both the violence of Hamas on Oct 7 2023 and also hate what Israel is doing to Gaza. To hate and fear and speak out against one is not to support the other.

This.

(Jul 7 2025, 11:09 PM)Wrongtoy But the ziofeminists don’t focus on that at all but on the hijab. As if that is the top feminist issue.

I'm not sure what this is referring to, but lumping women who criticize hijab as "ziofeminist" seems like all-or-nothing thinking. Dismissing feminist criticism of repressive misogynistic headwear by blaring out "Zionism!" is just as absurd as Zionists crying "antisemitism!" when someone criticizes Israel for bombing hospitals and their use of starvation to rid the land of Palestinians.

This post seems to be the same line of thinking from the Vexxed thread starting at post 20 and going onwards. (For those who want to see this discussion already hashed out in one way.)

If you're upset over people dismissing the mass human rights abuse and murder of Palestinian people by wielding criticisms of hijab like some "gotcha", then that is fair. But I don't think that is happening on this forum, so is this some sort of passive aggressive vent about behavior elsewhere..?

Either way, I don't like seeing posts written in a way that seems to discourage women from analyzing various aspects of misogyny in the world all because colonizers and racists might use it to further their justification of ethnically cleansing people from nearby lands. Abusive people using shitty argument tactics on their part doesn't mean feminists should refrain from analyzing misogynistic practices.

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Jul 8 2025, 10:39 AM #4

(Jul 8 2025, 8:37 AM)Elsacat I don't know why it's so hard for so many to understand: People can hate both the violence of Hamas on Oct 7 2023 and also hate what Israel is doing to Gaza. To hate and fear and speak out against one is not to support the other.

This.

(Jul 7 2025, 11:09 PM)Wrongtoy But the ziofeminists don’t focus on that at all but on the hijab. As if that is the top feminist issue.

I'm not sure what this is referring to, but lumping women who criticize hijab as "ziofeminist" seems like all-or-nothing thinking. Dismissing feminist criticism of repressive misogynistic headwear by blaring out "Zionism!" is just as absurd as Zionists crying "antisemitism!" when someone criticizes Israel for bombing hospitals and their use of starvation to rid the land of Palestinians.

This post seems to be the same line of thinking from the Vexxed thread starting at post 20 and going onwards. (For those who want to see this discussion already hashed out in one way.)

If you're upset over people dismissing the mass human rights abuse and murder of Palestinian people by wielding criticisms of hijab like some "gotcha", then that is fair. But I don't think that is happening on this forum, so is this some sort of passive aggressive vent about behavior elsewhere..?

Either way, I don't like seeing posts written in a way that seems to discourage women from analyzing various aspects of misogyny in the world all because colonizers and racists might use it to further their justification of ethnically cleansing people from nearby lands. Abusive people using shitty argument tactics on their part doesn't mean feminists should refrain from analyzing misogynistic practices.

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Wrongtoy

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Jul 8 2025, 1:06 PM

#5

An appeal to women’s rights has been part of every Western incursion into the Middle East for decades. Hijab fades as a priority when the pre-eminent concerns are 1. Women and kids getting disproportionately bombed in air strikes and 2. Starving when their men are shot at by the Israelis or unsuccessful in fighting other guys to get it. This issue of clothing is used by westerners to effect certain stereotypes that help justify war, and that’s my problem with it.

Wrongtoy

Jul 8 2025, 1:06 PM #5

An appeal to women’s rights has been part of every Western incursion into the Middle East for decades. Hijab fades as a priority when the pre-eminent concerns are 1. Women and kids getting disproportionately bombed in air strikes and 2. Starving when their men are shot at by the Israelis or unsuccessful in fighting other guys to get it. This issue of clothing is used by westerners to effect certain stereotypes that help justify war, and that’s my problem with it.

alefia

6

Jul 9 2025, 11:20 AM

#6

Short answer:
There is an imperialist agenda when feminists in the Global North criticize mysoginistic practices in the Global South such as hijab, e.g., when documentation of the genocide of Palestinians became widespread news, many "radfems" advocated for it since "hijab = oppression, therefore good riddance". Claiming to "hate both things" ignores the geopolitical fact of how the West dehumanizes Islam to justify interventions in the Middle East, moreover how the West influenced hijab becoming mandatory in the first place by militarizing groups for regime changes to get control over the region (case in point, Afghanistan before/after US interventions)

Long answer:
The Global North excels in justifying atrocities (genocide of indigenous people, violent regime changes, economic isolation/sabotage, etc.) by dehumanizing the Global South.

What was everywhere in media when the genocide in Palestine became news globally? "Hamas is doing mass rapes... Hamas is decapitating babies... Hamas is using human shields"
All of these claims that --to the surprise of no one in the Global South-- later were true not for Hamas but for the IDF. Yet at the time you would see it everywhere in media, and in "radfem" spaces there was the blasphemous statement of "the feminist stance is to support Israel".

Not only that but considering geopolitics, it is at best ignorant at worst hypocritical when feminists from the Global North criticize hijab.
How did it become mandatory in the first place? What happened, for example, in Afghanistan for these mysoginistic practices to be so strong? Land based communities (especially those influenced by communism) tend to be more egalitarian, and that was the case of Afghanistan, so what happened?

The USA militarized groups for a regime change, extremist religious groups at that. Long story short, they created the villain then pointed fingers from afar to justify even more interventions ---the perfect modus operandi for the world's biggest bully.

As of today I am yet to see any campaigns from women in the Global North that provide tools of resistance for women in Afghanistan. The same can be said about any other country in the Global South affected by Western interventions.

Are you doing anything to stop your government's interventions in the Global South? In the Middle East? Otherwise any criticism of hijab feels empty --especially given how loud and aligned with zionism the "radfem" voices in the Global North are-- and (un)intentionally falls into this modus operandi of the USA/West.

alefia

Jul 9 2025, 11:20 AM #6

Short answer:
There is an imperialist agenda when feminists in the Global North criticize mysoginistic practices in the Global South such as hijab, e.g., when documentation of the genocide of Palestinians became widespread news, many "radfems" advocated for it since "hijab = oppression, therefore good riddance". Claiming to "hate both things" ignores the geopolitical fact of how the West dehumanizes Islam to justify interventions in the Middle East, moreover how the West influenced hijab becoming mandatory in the first place by militarizing groups for regime changes to get control over the region (case in point, Afghanistan before/after US interventions)

Long answer:
The Global North excels in justifying atrocities (genocide of indigenous people, violent regime changes, economic isolation/sabotage, etc.) by dehumanizing the Global South.

What was everywhere in media when the genocide in Palestine became news globally? "Hamas is doing mass rapes... Hamas is decapitating babies... Hamas is using human shields"
All of these claims that --to the surprise of no one in the Global South-- later were true not for Hamas but for the IDF. Yet at the time you would see it everywhere in media, and in "radfem" spaces there was the blasphemous statement of "the feminist stance is to support Israel".

Not only that but considering geopolitics, it is at best ignorant at worst hypocritical when feminists from the Global North criticize hijab.
How did it become mandatory in the first place? What happened, for example, in Afghanistan for these mysoginistic practices to be so strong? Land based communities (especially those influenced by communism) tend to be more egalitarian, and that was the case of Afghanistan, so what happened?

The USA militarized groups for a regime change, extremist religious groups at that. Long story short, they created the villain then pointed fingers from afar to justify even more interventions ---the perfect modus operandi for the world's biggest bully.

As of today I am yet to see any campaigns from women in the Global North that provide tools of resistance for women in Afghanistan. The same can be said about any other country in the Global South affected by Western interventions.

Are you doing anything to stop your government's interventions in the Global South? In the Middle East? Otherwise any criticism of hijab feels empty --especially given how loud and aligned with zionism the "radfem" voices in the Global North are-- and (un)intentionally falls into this modus operandi of the USA/West.

alefia

6

Jul 9 2025, 12:41 PM

#7

You got me thinking into how an efficient strategy for women's liberation would look like. I mostly reframed what I wrote here, but this is the post: https://vexxed.org/o/TakingAction/2713/women-in-the-global-south-should-militarize-while-women-in-the-global-north-shou

alefia

Jul 9 2025, 12:41 PM #7

You got me thinking into how an efficient strategy for women's liberation would look like. I mostly reframed what I wrote here, but this is the post: https://vexxed.org/o/TakingAction/2713/women-in-the-global-south-should-militarize-while-women-in-the-global-north-shou

alefia

6

Jul 9 2025, 12:59 PM

#8

Nevermind, it got taken down. What was it, 5 minutes? Gotta give it to the zionists, they work fast!

alefia

Jul 9 2025, 12:59 PM #8

Nevermind, it got taken down. What was it, 5 minutes? Gotta give it to the zionists, they work fast!

Iota Aurigae

40

Jul 9 2025, 9:50 PM

#9

(Jul 9 2025, 12:41 PM)alefia You got me thinking into how an efficient strategy for women's liberation would look like. I mostly reframed what I wrote here, but this is the post: https://vexxed.org/o/TakingAction/2713/women-in-the-global-south-should-militarize-while-women-in-the-global-north-shou

First thing I see is "momofreyella [Blocked]". Never a good sign!

Iota Aurigae

Jul 9 2025, 9:50 PM #9

(Jul 9 2025, 12:41 PM)alefia You got me thinking into how an efficient strategy for women's liberation would look like. I mostly reframed what I wrote here, but this is the post: https://vexxed.org/o/TakingAction/2713/women-in-the-global-south-should-militarize-while-women-in-the-global-north-shou

First thing I see is "momofreyella [Blocked]". Never a good sign!

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Jul 9 2025, 10:02 PM

#10

(Jul 9 2025, 12:59 PM)alefia Nevermind, it got taken down. What was it, 5 minutes?

If I want to give the benefit of the doubt, I'd assume it was removed because it might not have fit with the circle's purpose — I assume the TakeAction circle is more meant for events/direct action. Although it does say in the circle's sidebar “or discussion related to taking action (strategy, tactics, history, etc.)”, so I don't know. Did the mods not give a reason for removal? If the reason was indeed that it was considered "off topic" then o/Women might accept it. If not, whelp. Even then, I would not expect good faith engagement. I think that Vexxed was initially started with a decent chunk of Ovarit's Israel-supporting "power users" migrating over, and they are well established at this point. I see that the only comment before the post was deleted was "is this a joke?" and the post acquired a score of -2.

I might not vibe with everything stated in the post (ie. what I view as dismissal of Hamas' violence/terrorism on Oct 7th in one section), but I still think it is overall a thought-out high-effort post to educate and engage about the Global North/South divide and how imperialism/colonialism manipulates feminist causes to further themselves.

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Jul 9 2025, 10:02 PM #10

(Jul 9 2025, 12:59 PM)alefia Nevermind, it got taken down. What was it, 5 minutes?

If I want to give the benefit of the doubt, I'd assume it was removed because it might not have fit with the circle's purpose — I assume the TakeAction circle is more meant for events/direct action. Although it does say in the circle's sidebar “or discussion related to taking action (strategy, tactics, history, etc.)”, so I don't know. Did the mods not give a reason for removal? If the reason was indeed that it was considered "off topic" then o/Women might accept it. If not, whelp. Even then, I would not expect good faith engagement. I think that Vexxed was initially started with a decent chunk of Ovarit's Israel-supporting "power users" migrating over, and they are well established at this point. I see that the only comment before the post was deleted was "is this a joke?" and the post acquired a score of -2.

I might not vibe with everything stated in the post (ie. what I view as dismissal of Hamas' violence/terrorism on Oct 7th in one section), but I still think it is overall a thought-out high-effort post to educate and engage about the Global North/South divide and how imperialism/colonialism manipulates feminist causes to further themselves.

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