Kirk thoughts

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Sep 18 2025, 9:32 AM

First of all, he was murdered. Assassination is when public officials are murdered. Kirk was not in a public official position he was just an influencer of the public.

Second, I think Tyler may be the patsy of the boyfriend.

When I read this - it was not as a "loving/protective" exchange

it was about taking the fall and denial of participation of the boyfriend who is trans identified

I suspect it was the boyfriend who had the plot and the shooter was just following orders

after all, it is only the trans person who matters in trans world, and everyone else is just supposed to care take and cater to them

https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/16/us/text-message-tyler-robinson-roomate-vis

nina from canada eh

Sep 18 2025, 9:32 AM #1

eyeswideopen

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Sep 18 2025, 9:59 PM

I don't think it was the boyfriend, tbh. I think the shooter was a heavily closeted gay guy brought up in a MAGA Mormon family realizing that the chances of him coming out to his family and having them ever accept him given his sexuality were close to zero. Kirk (one of the most prominent conservatives in the country and well-known for his homophobia) became the locus of the shooter's anger because of this.

I do think this was a relatively spontaneous crime as these things go. No manifesto. No note (although he tried to write one and tore it up apparently). No evidence of extensive planning. No evidence that he planned to kill himself after the crime. I don't think he was a groyper, but obviously had some exposure given his immersion in gamer culture and the memes on the bullets.

eyeswideopen

Sep 18 2025, 9:59 PM #2

nina from canada eh

Sep 18 2025, 11:10 PM

I could be wrong, but when I read the supposed texts after the shooting to the trans identified boyfriend, the texts seemed not genuine and overly concerned to deny that boyfriend's involvement. given how self centred and controlling trans is, it just made more sense to me. We will see how this plays out it is weird law enforcement is releasing so much information and tainting the jury pool

nina from canada eh

Sep 18 2025, 11:10 PM #3

Elsacat

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Sep 20 2025, 5:23 PM

'No evidence' found yet of ties between Charlie Kirk's shooting and left-wing groups, officials say https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/no-evidence-charlie-kirk-shooting-left-wing-groups-rcna232513

Starting to wonder how much of this might have been rebellion against/anger toward his family, with Charlie Kirk being a representative of their thoughts, instead of him being radicalized into left-wing extremism in general. What if who he really wanted to shoot was his father or his whole family, but he didn't have it in him to do that, so he picked someone who he knew they liked or who said the same things.

Alternately, he could have really disliked Kirk without being a left-wing extremist, despite the right's best effort to paint anyone who dislikes Kirk's viewpoints as extremist and dangerous.

Elsacat

Sep 20 2025, 5:23 PM #4

YesYourNigel

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Sep 20 2025, 8:06 PM

Quote:'No evidence' found yet of ties between Charlie Kirk's shooting and left-wing groups, officials say

Your typical leftwing trans community is not really one I could see radicalising someone in this way, and certainly not against a man. I think what's more likely is that he and possibly his partner would be involved in the 4chan brand of the trans movement. It's composed mainly of weeb gamer self-deprecating gun-loving incel TIMs who also like being deliberately offensive and use language such as "faggot" and "retard", as well as "[trans-slur]" and also engage in a lot of violent rhetoric towards TERFs and "cissoids" (very feminine behaviour, I know). It feels odd to call those leftwing because they usually have little concern for liberal values and are laser-focused on the "genocide" perpetuated by TERFs and cis infidels, as well as competing in who's more valid based on how suicidal their dysphoria makes them.

Quote:Alternately, he could have really disliked Kirk without being a left-wing extremist, despite the right's best effort to paint anyone who dislikes Kirk's viewpoints as extremist and dangerous.

I don't think men like this give a shit about the racism, misogyny and general regressive ideas of men like Kirk. There has to be something to make Kirk personally offensive to them, so, probably in this case him talking against trans stuff and making this guy out to be gay despite dating a TIM who's supposed to be a way out of that. Lord knows a man like this would never get violent over another man saying horribly misogynistic things that affect his female partner, so I think the only way this makes sense is with the personal jab that "TIMs are still men" makes at his sexuality. It's always about their ego and their entitlement.

Edited Sep 20 2025, 8:07 PM by YesYourNigel.

YesYourNigel

Sep 20 2025, 8:06 PM #5

Quote:'No evidence' found yet of ties between Charlie Kirk's shooting and left-wing groups, officials say

Quote:Alternately, he could have really disliked Kirk without being a left-wing extremist, despite the right's best effort to paint anyone who dislikes Kirk's viewpoints as extremist and dangerous.

Impress Polly
The kind they warned you about.

Sep 20 2025, 10:18 PM

This is as straightforward as it gets. Gay guy kills dickwad xenophobe Charlie Kook, in his own words because he (Kirk) is a xenophobic hater and brands him a fascist with the bullet casings that were definitely "not" funny or clever in any way. It's an open and shut case and frankly I feel nothing about it all except the irritation that the shooting has so quickly unleashed an asinine wave of right wing wokeness (aggressive censorship of "hate speech" and "disinformation" that's directed against favored demographics being what I mean by that in this case) that threatens to affect my presence elsewhere on the social medias. Just when you thought things were opening up more, BAM!, here we are all over again with what's probably destined to be a whole second generation of this bullshit, but just now in an even dumber packaging than the last time, UUUUGH!!! And none of these fucktards even notice the irony in that, like in lionizing Kirk as this great free speech champion on the one hand while simultaneously weaponizing his death to silence all their critics on the other. It just shows who they really believe in free speech for.

If this is supposed to be the new generation's 9/11, it's the dumbest variation ever. Kirk was just some asswipe podcast moid who helped Trump get elected our tinpot dictator and the culture is making him out to be a saint. My favorite aspect of it all is those creepy-ass pictures circulating on social media depicting Kirk in heaven with Jesus (wherein, y'know, even decked out in heavenly white garb and situated amongst the clouds, he still looks like kind of a jerk). I've never been so glad to be going to hell!

Sorry if I seem callous, but I find it tough to empathize with someone who dedicated his entire adult life to actively trying to reduce my rights and silence survivors of sexual predators (in the name of free speech no less). It's starting to feel like this is fucking North Korea and a member of the dear Kim dynasty has just passed away: like I'm at one of their casket tours, being battered and ordered to CRY LOUDER!!! Apparently it doesn't matter that he dedicated his entire life to hating people like me, I must nonetheless love him anyway. sighs Even in death, he's adding to my personal misery for shit sakes. No, I will not be honoring the newly-declared National Charlie Kirk Remembrance Day next month.

Edited Sep 21 2025, 12:04 PM by Impress Polly.

Impress Polly

The kind they warned you about.

Sep 20 2025, 10:18 PM #6

Elsacat

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Sep 21 2025, 7:52 AM

@ImpressPollly couldn't have said it better myself. and "Charlie Kook" how have I not seen that before? Am I a ghoul for laughing at that? Yeah, probably. He didn't deserve to be shot and killed, but the world wasn't a better place with him in it and I can't pretend I'm sorry he's gone, other than the sheer stupidity of the aftermath.

Speaking of the aftermath, sexism exposed: On Twitter I've seen some right-wingers pushing the idea of Erika Kirk as a future president, only to have a legion of responses of "I still don't want a woman president." (If I can snag some links or screenshots, I'll add them.) It isn't even about a grieving widow not being qualification enough for the job, it's the whole woman president thing. Right-wingers gonna right-wing. I know it isn't just them, there are centrists and people further left who also don't want a woman president but won't come out and say it.

Elsacat

Sep 21 2025, 7:52 AM #7

eyeswideopen

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Sep 21 2025, 4:38 PM

Nah, no one is callous for not mourning Kirk. He (OBVIOUSLY) did not deserve to be murdered for holding his opinions or expressing them. But they were shitty, bigoted, and misogynistic opinions and I'm not going to shed tears for someone who hated me and millions of others for being female and/or immigrants and/or not white.

eyeswideopen

Sep 21 2025, 4:38 PM #8

Impress Polly
The kind they warned you about.

Sep 21 2025, 6:10 PM

(Sep 21 2025, 7:52 AM)Elsacat @ImpressPollly couldn't have said it better myself. and "Charlie Kook" how have I not seen that before? Am I a ghoul for laughing at that? Yeah, probably. He didn't deserve to be shot and killed, but the world wasn't a better place with him in it and I can't pretend I'm sorry he's gone, other than the sheer stupidity of the aftermath.

Heh, thanks! And you couldn't be a ghoul if you tried, Elsacat. You're among the nicest of us around here and you know it. Life has made me a bit of a ghoul and maybe I'm a bad influence.

I mean yeah, obviously no one deserves to die for their political opinions, however despicable they are. But to demand empathy from me for a man who hated people like me and in fact denied the existence of empathy itself (which I feel just says about one) is pretty rich. I will be honoring Mr. Kook's legacy to supply none.

Quote:Speaking of the aftermath, sexism exposed: On Twitter I've seen some right-wingers pushing the idea of Erika Kirk as a future president, only to have a legion of responses of "I still don't want a woman president." (If I can snag some links or screenshots, I'll add them.) It isn't even about a grieving widow not being qualification enough for the job, it's the whole woman president thing. Right-wingers gonna right-wing. I know it isn't just them, there are centrists and people further left who also don't want a woman president but won't come out and say it.

I believe you. The entire Trump phenomenon is about the whole woman president thing. It always has been.

Edited Sep 21 2025, 6:15 PM by Impress Polly.

Impress Polly

The kind they warned you about.

Sep 21 2025, 6:10 PM #9

(Sep 21 2025, 7:52 AM)Elsacat @ImpressPollly couldn't have said it better myself. and "Charlie Kook" how have I not seen that before? Am I a ghoul for laughing at that? Yeah, probably. He didn't deserve to be shot and killed, but the world wasn't a better place with him in it and I can't pretend I'm sorry he's gone, other than the sheer stupidity of the aftermath.

Quote:Speaking of the aftermath, sexism exposed: On Twitter I've seen some right-wingers pushing the idea of Erika Kirk as a future president, only to have a legion of responses of "I still don't want a woman president." (If I can snag some links or screenshots, I'll add them.) It isn't even about a grieving widow not being qualification enough for the job, it's the whole woman president thing. Right-wingers gonna right-wing. I know it isn't just them, there are centrists and people further left who also don't want a woman president but won't come out and say it.

I believe you. The entire Trump phenomenon is about the whole woman president thing. It always has been.

nina from canada eh

Sep 22 2025, 2:24 PM

#10

(Sep 18 2025, 9:59 PM)eyeswideopen I don't think it was the boyfriend, tbh. I think the shooter was a heavily closeted gay guy brought up in a MAGA Mormon family realizing that the chances of him coming out to his family and having them ever accept him given his sexuality were close to zero. Kirk (one of the most prominent conservatives in the country and well-known for his homophobia) became the locus of the shooter's anger because of this.

I do think this was a relatively spontaneous crime as these things go. No manifesto. No note (although he tried to write one and tore it up apparently). No evidence of extensive planning. No evidence that he planned to kill himself after the crime. I don't think he was a groyper, but obviously had some exposure given his immersion in gamer culture and the memes on the bullets.

Probably you are right. I was just thinking in terms of possible personalities. Certainly dating a man pretending to be a woman is gay denial. I was making a guess as to who the controlling one in the relationships may be.

nina from canada eh

Sep 22 2025, 2:24 PM #10

(Sep 18 2025, 9:59 PM)eyeswideopen I don't think it was the boyfriend, tbh. I think the shooter was a heavily closeted gay guy brought up in a MAGA Mormon family realizing that the chances of him coming out to his family and having them ever accept him given his sexuality were close to zero. Kirk (one of the most prominent conservatives in the country and well-known for his homophobia) became the locus of the shooter's anger because of this.

I do think this was a relatively spontaneous crime as these things go. No manifesto. No note (although he tried to write one and tore it up apparently). No evidence of extensive planning. No evidence that he planned to kill himself after the crime. I don't think he was a groyper, but obviously had some exposure given his immersion in gamer culture and the memes on the bullets.

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