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4B Sub Removes "Transphobia" Ban

4B Sub Removes "Transphobia" Ban

 
Impress Polly
The kind they warned you about.
121
Dec 6 2025, 11:48 PM
#1
Saw this new thread on r/4bmovement today mentioning that the place has recently gotten new moderators and discussing new policies over there. Interesting stuff, particularly the new requirement that participants on the sub henceforth must be radfems. Within the new radfem mandate section of the commentary, I noticed that Sheila Jeffreys was mentioned in a positive light.  :meowshock: The long-time scholar in political lesbianism, author of Gender Hurts (among other notable books), and prominent organizer against gender ideology was described as "a good place to start" one's research into radical feminism. I thought that especially interesting because there's no way of reading Jeffreys as a trans-inclusive type radfem, in contrast to the more generic choice of Andrea Dworkin. Then I looked over on the main page and noticed that rule 8 (the one on protection of marginalized groups) now only bans "trolling, advocating violence, racism, homophobia". So-called transphobia is no longer mentioned. It also no longer includes references to protected religions either. I furthermore noticed that rule 6 against derailing now bars "oppression olympics" in a new limitation on intersectionality politics. In short, the wokeness of the place has recently been reduced. I consider that progress! Thought it worth hyping up.  :meowdorable:

Of course, there are still limits to how far one can stray from political correctness. Misandry, for example, is barred. (After all, to hate on men is to focus on them and bullcrap like that.) Stuff like this. One has to work around these limits still. But those are limits imposed by Reddit itself that each sub must comply with or get banned, so they're not really optional policies for any sub. Still, when I read official proclamations like "4B is NOT a movement to punish men", I feel like saying "speak for yourself on that one, sister!"
Edited Dec 7 2025, 6:19 PM by Impress Polly.
Impress Polly
The kind they warned you about.
Dec 6 2025, 11:48 PM #1

Saw this new thread on r/4bmovement today mentioning that the place has recently gotten new moderators and discussing new policies over there. Interesting stuff, particularly the new requirement that participants on the sub henceforth must be radfems. Within the new radfem mandate section of the commentary, I noticed that Sheila Jeffreys was mentioned in a positive light.  :meowshock: The long-time scholar in political lesbianism, author of Gender Hurts (among other notable books), and prominent organizer against gender ideology was described as "a good place to start" one's research into radical feminism. I thought that especially interesting because there's no way of reading Jeffreys as a trans-inclusive type radfem, in contrast to the more generic choice of Andrea Dworkin. Then I looked over on the main page and noticed that rule 8 (the one on protection of marginalized groups) now only bans "trolling, advocating violence, racism, homophobia". So-called transphobia is no longer mentioned. It also no longer includes references to protected religions either. I furthermore noticed that rule 6 against derailing now bars "oppression olympics" in a new limitation on intersectionality politics. In short, the wokeness of the place has recently been reduced. I consider that progress! Thought it worth hyping up.  :meowdorable:

Of course, there are still limits to how far one can stray from political correctness. Misandry, for example, is barred. (After all, to hate on men is to focus on them and bullcrap like that.) Stuff like this. One has to work around these limits still. But those are limits imposed by Reddit itself that each sub must comply with or get banned, so they're not really optional policies for any sub. Still, when I read official proclamations like "4B is NOT a movement to punish men", I feel like saying "speak for yourself on that one, sister!"

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Dec 7 2025, 2:11 PM
#2
This is really great news! :) thank you for this update!
dobby
Dec 7 2025, 2:11 PM #2

This is really great news! :) thank you for this update!

Yesterday, 10:13 PM
#3
4b is to not date men and avoid them. they will see that as punishment to not be centred
nina from canada eh
Yesterday, 10:13 PM #3

4b is to not date men and avoid them. they will see that as punishment to not be centred

Clover
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8 hours ago
#4
Sadly it looks like the Reddit post linked was deleted by whoever wrote it. 😭 I tried to check Wayback Machine and it wasn't archived. But I'm glad that it sounds like the rules are focused on prioritizing women and based in radical feminism!
Clover
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8 hours ago #4

Sadly it looks like the Reddit post linked was deleted by whoever wrote it. 😭 I tried to check Wayback Machine and it wasn't archived. But I'm glad that it sounds like the rules are focused on prioritizing women and based in radical feminism!

3 hours ago
#5
(8 hours ago)Clover Sadly it looks like the Reddit post linked was deleted by whoever wrote it. 😭 I tried to check Wayback Machine and it wasn't archived. But I'm glad that it sounds like the rules are focused on prioritizing women and based in radical feminism!

I think I got it 

Quote:We've been seeing a lot of confusion and disagreement about 4B, what it means to be 4B, who can be 4B and what types of things we should be discussing on this sub.
I'd like to start with a few definitions.
Intersectionality - when discussing feminism intersectionality means recognizing there are multiple axes of oppression. Sex is the primary basis of oppression in feminist discourse. This can be amplified and complicated by race, ethnicity, class, sexual orientation, economic status and disability. It does not mean including all people in feminism. Feminism is for female people.
Inclusivity - This is not an inclusive sub. It is a sub for women who are 4B, are considering becoming 4B or who want to learn about 4B. It is not a debate sub about the merits of 4B. It is not a club where you will be kicked out if you aren't a "Gold Star" 4B woman. Many of us are adults who have lived for many decades long before this movement existed. You may have been married or had children but are now 4B. Those of us who have been there and done that have a lot of wisdom to impart to younger women and disrespect and hostility to those women will not be tolerated.
Radical Feminism - The 4B movement stems from radical feminism and is a form of separatism. Radical feminism is NOT the same as modern feminism as you may know it today. It's not about choice, it's about liberating women from the patriarchy. I will not write an essay about it here but if you want to learn more reading Andrea Dworkin or Sheila Jeffries is a good place to start. Anything that is harmful to women, such as prostitution, pornography, gender stereotypes etc. is not in line with radical feminism. After learning more you may find radical feminism and 4B it's not for you and that's OK, but you cannot be 4B and a liberal/third wave/choice feminist. They are diametrically opposed from an ideological perspective.
What Does it Mean to be 4B? - It means no dating, marriage, childbirth or sex with men. Yes, you can be 4B now even if you haven't been 4B in the past. Very few women have been 4B since birth. You are welcome here if you have been married, dated, had sex with a man or had a child in the past. You are welcome here if you are an ally or considering going 4B. The flairs are intended to clarify your status. Women who have been through these things have a lot of wisdom to impart and should be treated with dignity and respect. 4B is NOT a movement to punish men. It's intended to improve the lives of women by removing ourselves from harm and supporting each other.
What we are not - This is not a sub to complain about how shitty men are or how your Nigel is different. It's not a general topic sub to rant about the horrific state of dating and marriage.
What we are - This is a place to discuss the benefits of, experiences and reasons for going 4B, how we are navigating that and what that looks like in our lives.
Rule #2 is: Be respectful and supportive - If you cannot manage to conduct yourself in this manner and are looking for a throw down this isn't the place for you. We are looking for mature, considered, helpful and serious content. If that's not your vibe feel free to move on.
There has been a change up in the mod team and things may start to seem a bit different here. Take some time to consider if it's the place for you. We want the sub to be a helpful resource and supportive place for women who are 4B and also considering 4B.

You can use this site, I think:
https://arctic-shift.photon-reddit.com/search
LeftFem
3 hours ago #5

(8 hours ago)Clover Sadly it looks like the Reddit post linked was deleted by whoever wrote it. 😭 I tried to check Wayback Machine and it wasn't archived. But I'm glad that it sounds like the rules are focused on prioritizing women and based in radical feminism!

I think I got it 

Quote:We've been seeing a lot of confusion and disagreement about 4B, what it means to be 4B, who can be 4B and what types of things we should be discussing on this sub.
I'd like to start with a few definitions.
Intersectionality - when discussing feminism intersectionality means recognizing there are multiple axes of oppression. Sex is the primary basis of oppression in feminist discourse. This can be amplified and complicated by race, ethnicity, class, sexual orientation, economic status and disability. It does not mean including all people in feminism. Feminism is for female people.
Inclusivity - This is not an inclusive sub. It is a sub for women who are 4B, are considering becoming 4B or who want to learn about 4B. It is not a debate sub about the merits of 4B. It is not a club where you will be kicked out if you aren't a "Gold Star" 4B woman. Many of us are adults who have lived for many decades long before this movement existed. You may have been married or had children but are now 4B. Those of us who have been there and done that have a lot of wisdom to impart to younger women and disrespect and hostility to those women will not be tolerated.
Radical Feminism - The 4B movement stems from radical feminism and is a form of separatism. Radical feminism is NOT the same as modern feminism as you may know it today. It's not about choice, it's about liberating women from the patriarchy. I will not write an essay about it here but if you want to learn more reading Andrea Dworkin or Sheila Jeffries is a good place to start. Anything that is harmful to women, such as prostitution, pornography, gender stereotypes etc. is not in line with radical feminism. After learning more you may find radical feminism and 4B it's not for you and that's OK, but you cannot be 4B and a liberal/third wave/choice feminist. They are diametrically opposed from an ideological perspective.
What Does it Mean to be 4B? - It means no dating, marriage, childbirth or sex with men. Yes, you can be 4B now even if you haven't been 4B in the past. Very few women have been 4B since birth. You are welcome here if you have been married, dated, had sex with a man or had a child in the past. You are welcome here if you are an ally or considering going 4B. The flairs are intended to clarify your status. Women who have been through these things have a lot of wisdom to impart and should be treated with dignity and respect. 4B is NOT a movement to punish men. It's intended to improve the lives of women by removing ourselves from harm and supporting each other.
What we are not - This is not a sub to complain about how shitty men are or how your Nigel is different. It's not a general topic sub to rant about the horrific state of dating and marriage.
What we are - This is a place to discuss the benefits of, experiences and reasons for going 4B, how we are navigating that and what that looks like in our lives.
Rule #2 is: Be respectful and supportive - If you cannot manage to conduct yourself in this manner and are looking for a throw down this isn't the place for you. We are looking for mature, considered, helpful and serious content. If that's not your vibe feel free to move on.
There has been a change up in the mod team and things may start to seem a bit different here. Take some time to consider if it's the place for you. We want the sub to be a helpful resource and supportive place for women who are 4B and also considering 4B.

You can use this site, I think:
https://arctic-shift.photon-reddit.com/search

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