Walmart fires woman who reported anti-trans threats from man in bathroom

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Elsacat

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Mar 31 2025, 9:34 AM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2025/03/27/walmart-fires-woman-trans-hate-bathroom/

https://archive.ph/sjEIx

Actual woman who is 6'4" and was threatened by a man.

I worry about anti-trans sentiment/activism taking a turn to where it harms women more than helps them.

Elsacat

Mar 31 2025, 9:34 AM #1

skunk

Mar 31 2025, 12:34 PM

Same. I am not an fan of transvestigating and personally believe that if a woman sees someone that maybe could possibly be a male in the womens bathroom, I think she should leave them be. If they're being weird, gross, harassing someone, etc they should be reported regardless of their sex or suspected sex.

There are some instances where it's obvious as fuck. I think women have a right to call that out. But if someone is unsure, like, just leave people alone unless they actually do something.

A lot of the comments on Ovarit fucked me up a lot because some of those women sound like they'd come after ME and think im a man. And I'm not even close to being *that* tall for a woman! They hyperfocused so hard on every teeny tiny physical feature that could be considered "masculine" and then on top of that, even hyperfocused on personality traits they deemed "male brained" that if they ever had an in person meet up, theres no way I'd ever attend. I'm positive they'd harass me for not looking and acting feminine enough.

Edited Mar 31 2025, 12:36 PM by skunk.

skunk

Mar 31 2025, 12:34 PM #2

VerdantHorizon

Mar 31 2025, 2:05 PM

(Mar 31 2025, 12:34 PM)skunk A lot of the comments on Ovarit fucked me up a lot because some of those women sound like they'd come after ME and think im a man. And I'm not even close to being *that* tall for a woman! They hyperfocused so hard on every teeny tiny physical feature that could be considered "masculine" and then on top of that, even hyperfocused on personality traits they deemed "male brained" that if they ever had an in person meet up, theres no way I'd ever attend. I'm positive they'd harass me for not looking and acting feminine enough.

Yeah... same. I'm barely above average for a woman, but I've got a mannish stance or face or something 😂 to where I get "sir"ed or "them"ed by service workers every now and then, so the transvestigating stuff definitely makes me feel gross about my appearance, doubly so knowing it's coming from supposedly fellow feminists instead of the patriarchy. And that's ignoring the gross racial and obligatory-gender-conforming themes that tend to pop up in this.

I think we can keep sex-segregated spaces sex-segregated without needing to creepily obsess over everyone who's maybe possibly not a woman. The idea that we can ~*~*~*always tell*~*~*~ is kind of harmful; I think women do tend to have a better eye for it than men, but obsessing over a person's body ratios or if that's a hint of an Adam's apple is so unproductive, unhelpful, and hurtful.

I don't know how people here on clovenhooves feel about actively policing bathroom spaces? I think keeping sex-segregated spaces is important - I've personally benefited from the safety aspect of having women-only restrooms before - but I think there are some exceptions where I don't care if a man is in that space, like maybe a father with a daughter who's too young to be alone but too old to go with him in the men's room or if the men's room is entirely out of order. In cases where I've encountered that, the man didn't linger and wasn't weird about it, and I didn't care that he was briefly in the space.

If a man is being a blatant creep or just giving me a really bad gut feeling, I'd say something to management, but I generally try not to look at other people in restrooms, anyway, so if a trans woman is just passing through I'm probably not even going to notice, and I'm certainly not going to waste time wondering if a tall woman is a secret man.

Edited Mar 31 2025, 2:06 PM by VerdantHorizon.

VerdantHorizon

Mar 31 2025, 2:05 PM #3

(Mar 31 2025, 12:34 PM)skunk A lot of the comments on Ovarit fucked me up a lot because some of those women sound like they'd come after ME and think im a man. And I'm not even close to being *that* tall for a woman! They hyperfocused so hard on every teeny tiny physical feature that could be considered "masculine" and then on top of that, even hyperfocused on personality traits they deemed "male brained" that if they ever had an in person meet up, theres no way I'd ever attend. I'm positive they'd harass me for not looking and acting feminine enough.

Possum
angry lesbian 🌈

Mar 31 2025, 7:13 PM

Quote:Davis said she also heard a woman’s voice, which appeared to be of the man’s partner, urging him to get out and warning that he would get in trouble. The man was “yelling about how he was going to get all of them and protect her,” Davis said.

Yeah this is why I don't trust most "gender critical" men at all. They're going to "protect us" from the TIMs by attacking tall women and butch lesbians. We can't solve men in women's spaces by adding more men to the situation. Now instead of just TIMs in the bathrooms we have to worry about TIMs and also crazy MAGA dudes transvestigating everyone. Progress!

(Mar 31 2025, 12:34 PM)skunk A lot of the comments on Ovarit fucked me up a lot because some of those women sound like they'd come after ME and think im a man. And I'm not even close to being *that* tall for a woman! They hyperfocused so hard on every teeny tiny physical feature that could be considered "masculine" and then on top of that, even hyperfocused on personality traits they deemed "male brained" that if they ever had an in person meet up, theres no way I'd ever attend. I'm positive they'd harass me for not looking and acting feminine enough.

I'm too lazy to go find the receipts but I've seen some comments on Ovarit about how "real women" would NEVER EVER EVER play violent video games or watch horror movies. Literal TRA logic, Animal Crossing is yonic and S.T.A.L.K.E.R is phallic.

Possum

angry lesbian 🌈

Mar 31 2025, 7:13 PM #4

Quote:Davis said she also heard a woman’s voice, which appeared to be of the man’s partner, urging him to get out and warning that he would get in trouble. The man was “yelling about how he was going to get all of them and protect her,” Davis said.

(Mar 31 2025, 12:34 PM)skunk A lot of the comments on Ovarit fucked me up a lot because some of those women sound like they'd come after ME and think im a man. And I'm not even close to being *that* tall for a woman! They hyperfocused so hard on every teeny tiny physical feature that could be considered "masculine" and then on top of that, even hyperfocused on personality traits they deemed "male brained" that if they ever had an in person meet up, theres no way I'd ever attend. I'm positive they'd harass me for not looking and acting feminine enough.

komorebi
“I am not free while any woman is unfree, even when her shackles are very different from my own.” – Audre Lorde

316

Mar 31 2025, 9:22 PM

(Mar 31 2025, 12:34 PM)skunk A lot of the comments on Ovarit fucked me up a lot because some of those women sound like they'd come after ME and think im a man. And I'm not even close to being *that* tall for a woman! They hyperfocused so hard on every teeny tiny physical feature that could be considered "masculine" and then on top of that, even hyperfocused on personality traits they deemed "male brained" that if they ever had an in person meet up, theres no way I'd ever attend. I'm positive they'd harass me for not looking and acting feminine enough.

This happens to me all the time. I must preface what I'm about to say by noting that I of course don't think that butches are "asking for it" or that they "deserve it." No woman should be harassed in the bathroom for their appearance. I mention that just because I myself don't actively aim for a "butch" aesthetic or anything; I simply have short hair and I'm tall. (Not even that tall, either—I'm 5'8".) Yet I am often "sir"red and have been harassed in the women's bathroom.

Getting missexed doesn't bother me, but the harassment can be scary because I'm not sure if it's going to escalate or not. I actually have a bunch of funny stories about this, including the time a male steward on an airline seemed terrified I was a gender special and kept calling the woman sitting next to me "ma'am" while nervously avoiding any gendered forms of address for me. 😆 I didn't realize it at the time, it only occurred to me later that that was probably why he was acting weird.

Anyway, to me, this is just evidence that the people who are supposedly trying to "protect women's bathrooms" are really just trying to narrow the acceptable range of gender nonconformity in women, including physical features that we can't even control. The posts on Ovarit on this topic where they talk about "man hands" or Adam's apples or how you can "just tell" demonstrate as much. Like, sorry to break it to you gals, but even if a woman has big hands, she's still a woman. And even if a dude has small hands, he's still a dude. Just come out and say what you really think about unfeminine women, why don't you. :harold:

(Mar 31 2025, 7:13 PM)Possum I'm too lazy to go find the receipts but I've seen some comments on Ovarit about how "real women" would NEVER EVER EVER play violent video games or watch horror movies. Literal TRA logic, Animal Crossing is yonic and S.T.A.L.K.E.R is phallic.

I definitely saw at least one post about this. Some of the least self-aware people on the planet tbh. Calling themselves "gender critical" while literally enforcing gender lmao. Then they'll say, "do words have meaning anymore?" Idk girl you tell me 💀

komorebi

“I am not free while any woman is unfree, even when her shackles are very different from my own.” – Audre Lorde

Mar 31 2025, 9:22 PM #5

(Mar 31 2025, 12:34 PM)skunk A lot of the comments on Ovarit fucked me up a lot because some of those women sound like they'd come after ME and think im a man. And I'm not even close to being *that* tall for a woman! They hyperfocused so hard on every teeny tiny physical feature that could be considered "masculine" and then on top of that, even hyperfocused on personality traits they deemed "male brained" that if they ever had an in person meet up, theres no way I'd ever attend. I'm positive they'd harass me for not looking and acting feminine enough.

(Mar 31 2025, 7:13 PM)Possum I'm too lazy to go find the receipts but I've seen some comments on Ovarit about how "real women" would NEVER EVER EVER play violent video games or watch horror movies. Literal TRA logic, Animal Crossing is yonic and S.T.A.L.K.E.R is phallic.

Leithriel

Apr 1 2025, 5:51 AM

So this one is weird because I actually saw Dani's original Facebook post where she explained the event and firing and a lot of what she said didn't make a ton of sense to me when I originally read it.

For example: one of the things she claimed was that when she was fired she had to turn in her company phone, but was not a keyholder or manager so there was no way she would have had a company phone to begin with. That seems like a small thing to nit-pick about, I know. But it really made me raise my eyebrow when I was reading her talking about the event. Secondly, if something like this had happened, she would have had to immediately file a report with the store's security staff member. There is always a member of security on-site during store hours and the shift manager/store manager would have been present for this process.

I also checked her profile and she had posted a lot of very pro-trans rhetoric previously, so my initial reaction was that she was probably fired for a different reason or had been more or less on the chopping block for awhile and this was an excuse to finally throw the hammer down. Walmart offering to reinstate her employment is also odd to me, because I have never heard of them doing that, and the claim that they are trying to reinstate her with back pay has not been confirmed by Walmart, and again, that isn't something that I have ever personally heard of from that particular company.

I don't know, this all strikes me as quite odd and is making me give bombastic side-eye. Maybe I am jaded, but this feels performative.

Leithriel

Apr 1 2025, 5:51 AM #6

Chernobog

Apr 1 2025, 8:55 AM

To Komorebi's point and the points before her, what worries me more and more these days about "left" gender ideology is how it is just loading up "right" gender ideology with ammunition. By being just as detached from reality as The Old Way, trans faces the same fundamental problem as any reactionary ideology: it only offers opportunities to create conflict, not to create a meaningful path forward. Both sides want everyone who steps even a little bit out of line to be called into question. One side causes chaos and confusion (arguably intentionally) so the other can cinch the knot tighter, like a finger-trap Overton window. The two extremes are inherently irrational, so it leaves all of us vulnerable in the more ambiguous reality we have to live in.

As for what Leithriel said, I worked for a brewery that got smeared for "transphobia" because a transman (who I knew from working at another brewery, who was a real corporate shill in punky packaging) had previously been fired from their establishment and the owner wasn't fawningly pro-trans enough, so the transphobia story got circulated with credibility. The real reason she had been fired was for no-call, no-showing for like a full week or two of work, something egregious like that, right after training. The owner assumed she was no longer interested, and was (perhaps rightfully) unimpressed when she called to beg for her job back. This story obviously painted her in an unfavourable light, so I'm skeptical when any labour or employment tales are involved. It's a demonstrably easy way to spin the narrative so it garners sympathy.

Chernobog

Apr 1 2025, 8:55 AM #7

skunk

Apr 1 2025, 11:22 AM

(Mar 31 2025, 9:22 PM)komorebi
(Mar 31 2025, 12:34 PM)skunk A lot of the comments on Ovarit fucked me up a lot because some of those women sound like they'd come after ME and think im a man. And I'm not even close to being *that* tall for a woman! They hyperfocused so hard on every teeny tiny physical feature that could be considered "masculine" and then on top of that, even hyperfocused on personality traits they deemed "male brained" that if they ever had an in person meet up, theres no way I'd ever attend. I'm positive they'd harass me for not looking and acting feminine enough.

This happens to me all the time. I must preface what I'm about to say by noting that I of course don't think that butches are "asking for it" or that they "deserve it." No woman should be harassed in the bathroom for their appearance. I mention that just because I myself don't actively aim for a "butch" aesthetic or anything; I simply have short hair and I'm tall. (Not even that tall, either—I'm 5'8".) Yet I am often "sir"red and have been harassed in the women's bathroom.

Getting missexed doesn't bother me, but the harassment can be scary because I'm not sure if it's going to escalate or not. I actually have a bunch of funny stories about this, including the time a male steward on an airline seemed terrified I was a gender special and kept calling the woman sitting next to me "ma'am" while nervously avoiding any gendered forms of address for me. 😆 I didn't realize it at the time, it only occurred to me later that that was probably why he was acting weird.

Anyway, to me, this is just evidence that the people who are supposedly trying to "protect women's bathrooms" are really just trying to narrow the acceptable range of gender nonconformity in women, including physical features that we can't even control. The posts on Ovarit on this topic where they talk about "man hands" or Adam's apples or how you can "just tell" demonstrate as much. Like, sorry to break it to you gals, but even if a woman has big hands, she's still a woman. And even if a dude has small hands, he's still a dude. Just come out and say what you really think about unfeminine women, why don't you.

(Mar 31 2025, 7:13 PM)Possum I'm too lazy to go find the receipts but I've seen some comments on Ovarit about how "real women" would NEVER EVER EVER play violent video games or watch horror movies. Literal TRA logic, Animal Crossing is yonic and S.T.A.L.K.E.R is phallic.

I definitely saw at least one post about this. Some of the least self-aware people on the planet tbh. Calling themselves "gender critical" while literally enforcing gender lmao. Then they'll say, "do words have meaning anymore?" Idk girl you tell me 💀

They said that crap a lot in the gaming circle. I always pushed back and let them know I'm a pro at headshots in battlefield or something like that lol. Some agreed women play all kinds of games but so many of them kind of othered me by telling me it's rare for women to enjoy violent video games so it's totally ok for them to make generalizations like "women always prefer nonviolent soft games cause we're just inherently not evil like that 💅". I found it so insulting 🥲

skunk

Apr 1 2025, 11:22 AM #8

(Mar 31 2025, 9:22 PM)komorebi
(Mar 31 2025, 12:34 PM)skunk A lot of the comments on Ovarit fucked me up a lot because some of those women sound like they'd come after ME and think im a man. And I'm not even close to being *that* tall for a woman! They hyperfocused so hard on every teeny tiny physical feature that could be considered "masculine" and then on top of that, even hyperfocused on personality traits they deemed "male brained" that if they ever had an in person meet up, theres no way I'd ever attend. I'm positive they'd harass me for not looking and acting feminine enough.

This happens to me all the time. I must preface what I'm about to say by noting that I of course don't think that butches are "asking for it" or that they "deserve it." No woman should be harassed in the bathroom for their appearance. I mention that just because I myself don't actively aim for a "butch" aesthetic or anything; I simply have short hair and I'm tall. (Not even that tall, either—I'm 5'8".) Yet I am often "sir"red and have been harassed in the women's bathroom.

Getting missexed doesn't bother me, but the harassment can be scary because I'm not sure if it's going to escalate or not. I actually have a bunch of funny stories about this, including the time a male steward on an airline seemed terrified I was a gender special and kept calling the woman sitting next to me "ma'am" while nervously avoiding any gendered forms of address for me. 😆 I didn't realize it at the time, it only occurred to me later that that was probably why he was acting weird.

Anyway, to me, this is just evidence that the people who are supposedly trying to "protect women's bathrooms" are really just trying to narrow the acceptable range of gender nonconformity in women, including physical features that we can't even control. The posts on Ovarit on this topic where they talk about "man hands" or Adam's apples or how you can "just tell" demonstrate as much. Like, sorry to break it to you gals, but even if a woman has big hands, she's still a woman. And even if a dude has small hands, he's still a dude. Just come out and say what you really think about unfeminine women, why don't you.

(Mar 31 2025, 7:13 PM)Possum I'm too lazy to go find the receipts but I've seen some comments on Ovarit about how "real women" would NEVER EVER EVER play violent video games or watch horror movies. Literal TRA logic, Animal Crossing is yonic and S.T.A.L.K.E.R is phallic.

I definitely saw at least one post about this. Some of the least self-aware people on the planet tbh. Calling themselves "gender critical" while literally enforcing gender lmao. Then they'll say, "do words have meaning anymore?" Idk girl you tell me 💀

Myrth
Fiesty Crone 🧙‍♀️

Apr 1 2025, 5:54 PM

(Apr 1 2025, 11:22 AM)skunk
(Mar 31 2025, 9:22 PM)komorebi
(Mar 31 2025, 12:34 PM)skunk A lot of the comments on Ovarit fucked me up a lot because some of those women sound like they'd come after ME and think im a man. And I'm not even close to being *that* tall for a woman! They hyperfocused so hard on every teeny tiny physical feature that could be considered "masculine" and then on top of that, even hyperfocused on personality traits they deemed "male brained" that if they ever had an in person meet up, theres no way I'd ever attend. I'm positive they'd harass me for not looking and acting feminine enough.

This happens to me all the time. I must preface what I'm about to say by noting that I of course don't think that butches are "asking for it" or that they "deserve it." No woman should be harassed in the bathroom for their appearance. I mention that just because I myself don't actively aim for a "butch" aesthetic or anything; I simply have short hair and I'm tall. (Not even that tall, either—I'm 5'8".) Yet I am often "sir"red and have been harassed in the women's bathroom.

Getting missexed doesn't bother me, but the harassment can be scary because I'm not sure if it's going to escalate or not. I actually have a bunch of funny stories about this, including the time a male steward on an airline seemed terrified I was a gender special and kept calling the woman sitting next to me "ma'am" while nervously avoiding any gendered forms of address for me. 😆 I didn't realize it at the time, it only occurred to me later that that was probably why he was acting weird.

Anyway, to me, this is just evidence that the people who are supposedly trying to "protect women's bathrooms" are really just trying to narrow the acceptable range of gender nonconformity in women, including physical features that we can't even control. The posts on Ovarit on this topic where they talk about "man hands" or Adam's apples or how you can "just tell" demonstrate as much. Like, sorry to break it to you gals, but even if a woman has big hands, she's still a woman. And even if a dude has small hands, he's still a dude. Just come out and say what you really think about unfeminine women, why don't you.

(Mar 31 2025, 7:13 PM)Possum I'm too lazy to go find the receipts but I've seen some comments on Ovarit about how "real women" would NEVER EVER EVER play violent video games or watch horror movies. Literal TRA logic, Animal Crossing is yonic and S.T.A.L.K.E.R is phallic.

I definitely saw at least one post about this. Some of the least self-aware people on the planet tbh. Calling themselves "gender critical" while literally enforcing gender lmao. Then they'll say, "do words have meaning anymore?" Idk girl you tell me 💀

They said that crap a lot in the gaming circle. I always pushed back and let them know I'm a pro at headshots in battlefield or something like that lol. Some agreed women play all kinds of games but so many of them kind of othered me by telling me it's rare for women to enjoy violent video games so it's totally ok for them to make generalizations like "women always prefer nonviolent soft games cause we're just inherently not evil like that 💅". I found it so insulting 🥲

I started gaming in the old BBS days, but then I found telnet and MUDS! MUDs were basically D&D online. Text based, multiplayer mayhem. No one ever believed I was a woman.

Myrth

Fiesty Crone 🧙‍♀️

Apr 1 2025, 5:54 PM #9

(Apr 1 2025, 11:22 AM)skunk
(Mar 31 2025, 9:22 PM)komorebi
(Mar 31 2025, 12:34 PM)skunk A lot of the comments on Ovarit fucked me up a lot because some of those women sound like they'd come after ME and think im a man. And I'm not even close to being *that* tall for a woman! They hyperfocused so hard on every teeny tiny physical feature that could be considered "masculine" and then on top of that, even hyperfocused on personality traits they deemed "male brained" that if they ever had an in person meet up, theres no way I'd ever attend. I'm positive they'd harass me for not looking and acting feminine enough.

This happens to me all the time. I must preface what I'm about to say by noting that I of course don't think that butches are "asking for it" or that they "deserve it." No woman should be harassed in the bathroom for their appearance. I mention that just because I myself don't actively aim for a "butch" aesthetic or anything; I simply have short hair and I'm tall. (Not even that tall, either—I'm 5'8".) Yet I am often "sir"red and have been harassed in the women's bathroom.

Getting missexed doesn't bother me, but the harassment can be scary because I'm not sure if it's going to escalate or not. I actually have a bunch of funny stories about this, including the time a male steward on an airline seemed terrified I was a gender special and kept calling the woman sitting next to me "ma'am" while nervously avoiding any gendered forms of address for me. 😆 I didn't realize it at the time, it only occurred to me later that that was probably why he was acting weird.

Anyway, to me, this is just evidence that the people who are supposedly trying to "protect women's bathrooms" are really just trying to narrow the acceptable range of gender nonconformity in women, including physical features that we can't even control. The posts on Ovarit on this topic where they talk about "man hands" or Adam's apples or how you can "just tell" demonstrate as much. Like, sorry to break it to you gals, but even if a woman has big hands, she's still a woman. And even if a dude has small hands, he's still a dude. Just come out and say what you really think about unfeminine women, why don't you.

(Mar 31 2025, 7:13 PM)Possum I'm too lazy to go find the receipts but I've seen some comments on Ovarit about how "real women" would NEVER EVER EVER play violent video games or watch horror movies. Literal TRA logic, Animal Crossing is yonic and S.T.A.L.K.E.R is phallic.

I definitely saw at least one post about this. Some of the least self-aware people on the planet tbh. Calling themselves "gender critical" while literally enforcing gender lmao. Then they'll say, "do words have meaning anymore?" Idk girl you tell me 💀

They said that crap a lot in the gaming circle. I always pushed back and let them know I'm a pro at headshots in battlefield or something like that lol. Some agreed women play all kinds of games but so many of them kind of othered me by telling me it's rare for women to enjoy violent video games so it's totally ok for them to make generalizations like "women always prefer nonviolent soft games cause we're just inherently not evil like that 💅". I found it so insulting 🥲

I started gaming in the old BBS days, but then I found telnet and MUDS! MUDs were basically D&D online. Text based, multiplayer mayhem. No one ever believed I was a woman.

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