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Wrongtoy

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Nov 21 2025, 6:11 PM

#11

Wait, wait, I do not see Polly in the wrong as she brought evidence in this specific case, I never claimed to have anything but my preferred opinion and she has offered more ti move this discussion forward.

Now that a basis for trial (ie her involvement with this group) has been established, let’s get to what specifically about women’s rights prompted this extreme action against this particular grandma.

Edited Nov 21 2025, 6:12 PM by Wrongtoy.

Wrongtoy

Nov 21 2025, 6:11 PM #11

LeftFem

Nov 23 2025, 2:33 AM

#12

(Nov 21 2025, 6:11 PM)Wrongtoy Wait, wait, I do not see Polly in the wrong as she brought evidence in this specific case, I never claimed to have anything but my preferred opinion and she has offered more ti move this discussion forward.

Now that a basis for trial (ie her involvement with this group) has been established, let’s get to what specifically about women’s rights prompted this extreme action against this particular grandma.

The issue with this is that in cases like this, because of the nature of Iran's government, you will never get an actual answer. They held a 10 minute trial with no cameras, there's no chance we will ever know the actual reason. She could be a murderer, she could be someone who just chose not to wear a Hijab, she could be anything but we would never know. This is why the death sentence in this case, and the trial being a farce, merits protests and people trying to save her, even if any petition or tweets probably won't have an effect. She could be the worst person in the world and she didn't get a fair trial in this case

LeftFem

Nov 23 2025, 2:33 AM #12

(Nov 21 2025, 6:11 PM)Wrongtoy Wait, wait, I do not see Polly in the wrong as she brought evidence in this specific case, I never claimed to have anything but my preferred opinion and she has offered more ti move this discussion forward.

Now that a basis for trial (ie her involvement with this group) has been established, let’s get to what specifically about women’s rights prompted this extreme action against this particular grandma.

alefia

Nov 23 2025, 7:11 PM

#13

Zahra is being condemned for allegedly cooperating with the PMOI/MEK. While most articles in English leave her connections with the organization unclear, I found one describing her as a supporter [1], and another one stating her cousin was executed in 1983 for being a member of it [2].

The following is a quick summary of what this organization stands for:
<<A 10-point manifesto published by the NCRI’s president, Maryam Rajavi, sets out a programme which would transform Iran. In it she states her commitment to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and to other international instruments. She calls for the abolition of the death penalty, the creation of a modern legal system and the independence of judges. (...) Madam Rajavi would end Tehran’s funding of Hamas, Hezbollah and other militant groups and is committed to peaceful coexistence, relations with all countries and respect for the United Nations charter.">>

In short, this group is in complete support of American imperialism over Iran. It was listed as a terrorist organization until the USA changed its mind (nothing new, e.g. Syria's "leader" [3]).

To my knowledge, for this reason Iranians see this group and its members as national traitors. I can/will ask my Arabic friends what information they have about this case, but for now given how Zahra's cousin was a member and her son is in exile [1] advocating for Western intervention in Iran [4], I think the likelihood of her being involved with this terrorist organization is very high.

[1] https://www.buzzsprout.com/1908986/episodes/18152637-zahra-shahbaz-tabari-a-death-sentence-in-ten-minutes
[2] https://www.ncr-iran.org/en/ncri-statements/statement-human-rights/irans-regime-sentences-zahra-tabari-to-death-for-pmoi-ties-call-to-save-political-prisoners/
[3] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-syria-president-white-house-ahmed-al-sharaa-b2867492.html
[4] https://wncri.org/2025/10/30/zahra-tabaris-son-my-hero-mum-not-afraid/

Having said that, the comments on this thread are a clear example of white/Western feminism:
-"Get your head out of your woke ass!"
-"A theocratic state, in the wake of a war which was EXISTENTIAL"
-"because of the nature of Iran's government"
-"It's a political group that is currently operating out of Albania that believes in women's rights and class struggle. Such an evil Zionist this woman must be really" ---this comment could not be more ignorant: that organization has a history of terrorism in Iran and today is a proxy for the USA. Moreover, anyone who calls for foreign intervention in their country is a traitor to the nation.

You are talking over Wrongtoy who probably is from an Arabic country directly in line of fire of American imperialists while you are a Pikerite living in the USA. Read the room. When a Global South comrade gives you perspective of their own country, STFU and listen.

alefia

Nov 23 2025, 7:11 PM #13

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Nov 23 2025, 9:23 PM

#14

(Nov 23 2025, 7:11 PM)alefia You are talking over Wrongtoy who probably is from an Arabic country directly in line of fire of American imperialists while you are a Pikerite living in the USA. Read the room. When a Global South comrade gives you perspective of their own country, STFU and listen.

WrongToy is a Korean American... [1][2] And LeftFem, one of the people who is accused of "white feminism" in those quotes, is actually someone who was born in Iran and lived near it... [3]

[1] "I’m Korean, first generation, and I think ppl see 4b out of a living in the west lens."
[2] "I’m a Korean American. This is why we don’t date Korean men."
[3] "I have lived in that general area (Not Iran) and was born there."

Quote:A 10-point manifesto published by the NCRI’s president, Maryam Rajavi, sets out a programme which would transform Iran. In it she states her commitment to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and to other international instruments. She calls for the abolition of the death penalty, the creation of a modern legal system and the independence of judges. (...) Madam Rajavi would end Tehran’s funding of Hamas, Hezbollah and other militant groups and is committed to peaceful coexistence, relations with all countries and respect for the United Nations charter."

Am I supposed to believe this is bad..? I support peaceful policies and I don't support organizations that murder innocent people. (Hamas, Israeli government, etc.) The woman is at risk of execution for the crime of being part of a pacifist-sounding political organization..?

Regardless of if the woman is part of a "terrorist organization" or not, I do not support the death penalty. She does not deserve to die.

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Nov 23 2025, 9:23 PM #14

(Nov 23 2025, 7:11 PM)alefia You are talking over Wrongtoy who probably is from an Arabic country directly in line of fire of American imperialists while you are a Pikerite living in the USA. Read the room. When a Global South comrade gives you perspective of their own country, STFU and listen.

Quote:A 10-point manifesto published by the NCRI’s president, Maryam Rajavi, sets out a programme which would transform Iran. In it she states her commitment to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and to other international instruments. She calls for the abolition of the death penalty, the creation of a modern legal system and the independence of judges. (...) Madam Rajavi would end Tehran’s funding of Hamas, Hezbollah and other militant groups and is committed to peaceful coexistence, relations with all countries and respect for the United Nations charter."

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Wrongtoy

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Yesterday, 12:02 AM

#15

(Nov 23 2025, 7:11 PM)alefia Zahra is being condemned for allegedly cooperating with the PMOI/MEK. While most articles in English leave her connections with the organization unclear, I found one describing her as a supporter [1], and another one stating her cousin was executed in 1983 for being a member of it [2].

The following is a quick summary of what this organization stands for:
<<A 10-point manifesto published by the NCRI’s president, Maryam Rajavi, sets out a programme which would transform Iran. In it she states her commitment to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and to other international instruments. She calls for the abolition of the death penalty, the creation of a modern legal system and the independence of judges. (...) Madam Rajavi would end Tehran’s funding of Hamas, Hezbollah and other militant groups and is committed to peaceful coexistence, relations with all countries and respect for the United Nations charter.">>

In short, this group is in complete support of American imperialism over Iran. It was listed as a terrorist organization until the USA changed its mind (nothing new, e.g. Syria's "leader" [3]).

To my knowledge, for this reason Iranians see this group and its members as national traitors. I can/will ask my Arabic friends what information they have about this case, but for now given how Zahra's cousin was a member and her son is in exile [1] advocating for Western intervention in Iran [4], I think the likelihood of her being involved with this terrorist organization is very high.

[1] https://www.buzzsprout.com/1908986/episodes/18152637-zahra-shahbaz-tabari-a-death-sentence-in-ten-minutes
[2] https://www.ncr-iran.org/en/ncri-statements/statement-human-rights/irans-regime-sentences-zahra-tabari-to-death-for-pmoi-ties-call-to-save-political-prisoners/
[3] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-syria-president-white-house-ahmed-al-sharaa-b2867492.html
[4] https://wncri.org/2025/10/30/zahra-tabaris-son-my-hero-mum-not-afraid/

Having said that, the comments on this thread are a clear example of white/Western feminism:
-"Get your head out of your woke ass!"
-"A theocratic state, in the wake of a war which was EXISTENTIAL"
-"because of the nature of Iran's government"
-"It's a political group that is currently operating out of Albania that believes in women's rights and class struggle. Such an evil Zionist this woman must be really" ---this comment could not be more ignorant: that organization has a history of terrorism in Iran and today is a proxy for the USA. Moreover, anyone who calls for foreign intervention in their country is a traitor to the nation.

You are talking over Wrongtoy who probably is from an Arabic country directly in line of fire of American imperialists while you are a Pikerite living in the USA. Read the room. When a Global South comrade gives you perspective of their own country, STFU and listen.

Thank you much for this clarification. My guess is that Iranian monarchists in exile are also involved with this org that as you say Iran sees reasonably as a group promoting AmerIsraeli interests. Whatever incited this sentence, it wasn’t a hijab dispute. However, if she is martyred, that’s exactly what AmerIstaeli interests will lead us to believe, that Iran just hung a grandma whose only crime was advocating for women’s rights as opposed to all this way more problematic stuff that you documented about her group.

Hopefully Iran foresees and forstalls this outcome by just moving this woman into the highest state of solitary confinement for life or several decades, same as we do for Islamic t terrorists at adx Florence.

Edited Yesterday, 12:28 AM by Wrongtoy.

Wrongtoy

Yesterday, 12:02 AM #15

(Nov 23 2025, 7:11 PM)alefia Zahra is being condemned for allegedly cooperating with the PMOI/MEK. While most articles in English leave her connections with the organization unclear, I found one describing her as a supporter [1], and another one stating her cousin was executed in 1983 for being a member of it [2].

The following is a quick summary of what this organization stands for:
<<A 10-point manifesto published by the NCRI’s president, Maryam Rajavi, sets out a programme which would transform Iran. In it she states her commitment to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and to other international instruments. She calls for the abolition of the death penalty, the creation of a modern legal system and the independence of judges. (...) Madam Rajavi would end Tehran’s funding of Hamas, Hezbollah and other militant groups and is committed to peaceful coexistence, relations with all countries and respect for the United Nations charter.">>

In short, this group is in complete support of American imperialism over Iran. It was listed as a terrorist organization until the USA changed its mind (nothing new, e.g. Syria's "leader" [3]).

To my knowledge, for this reason Iranians see this group and its members as national traitors. I can/will ask my Arabic friends what information they have about this case, but for now given how Zahra's cousin was a member and her son is in exile [1] advocating for Western intervention in Iran [4], I think the likelihood of her being involved with this terrorist organization is very high.

[1] https://www.buzzsprout.com/1908986/episodes/18152637-zahra-shahbaz-tabari-a-death-sentence-in-ten-minutes
[2] https://www.ncr-iran.org/en/ncri-statements/statement-human-rights/irans-regime-sentences-zahra-tabari-to-death-for-pmoi-ties-call-to-save-political-prisoners/
[3] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-syria-president-white-house-ahmed-al-sharaa-b2867492.html
[4] https://wncri.org/2025/10/30/zahra-tabaris-son-my-hero-mum-not-afraid/

Having said that, the comments on this thread are a clear example of white/Western feminism:
-"Get your head out of your woke ass!"
-"A theocratic state, in the wake of a war which was EXISTENTIAL"
-"because of the nature of Iran's government"
-"It's a political group that is currently operating out of Albania that believes in women's rights and class struggle. Such an evil Zionist this woman must be really" ---this comment could not be more ignorant: that organization has a history of terrorism in Iran and today is a proxy for the USA. Moreover, anyone who calls for foreign intervention in their country is a traitor to the nation.

You are talking over Wrongtoy who probably is from an Arabic country directly in line of fire of American imperialists while you are a Pikerite living in the USA. Read the room. When a Global South comrade gives you perspective of their own country, STFU and listen.

alefia

Yesterday, 5:55 AM

#16

(Nov 23 2025, 9:23 PM)Clover
(Nov 23 2025, 7:11 PM)alefia You are talking over Wrongtoy who probably is from an Arabic country directly in line of fire of American imperialists while you are a Pikerite living in the USA. Read the room. When a Global South comrade gives you perspective of their own country, STFU and listen.

WrongToy is a Korean American... [1][2] And LeftFem, one of the people who is accused of "white feminism" in those quotes, is actually someone who was born in Iran and lived near it... [3]

[1] "I’m Korean, first generation, and I think ppl see 4b out of a living in the west lens."
[2] "I’m a Korean American. This is why we don’t date Korean men."
[3] "I have lived in that general area (Not Iran) and was born there."

Quote:A 10-point manifesto published by the NCRI’s president, Maryam Rajavi, sets out a programme which would transform Iran. In it she states her commitment to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and to other international instruments. She calls for the abolition of the death penalty, the creation of a modern legal system and the independence of judges. (...) Madam Rajavi would end Tehran’s funding of Hamas, Hezbollah and other militant groups and is committed to peaceful coexistence, relations with all countries and respect for the United Nations charter."

Am I supposed to believe this is bad..? I support peaceful policies and I don't support organizations that murder innocent people. (Hamas, Israeli government, etc.) The woman is at risk of execution for the crime of being part of a pacifist-sounding political organization..?

Regardless of if the woman is part of a "terrorist organization" or not, I do not support the death penalty. She does not deserve to die.

Thank you for correcting me on Wrongtoy's background. How was/is Korea not under American imperialist fire?

LeftFem's comments fit the description of a "good Arab": https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/israel-palestine-good-arab-invention-control As a general rule, I am skeptical about anyone with opinions that compromise 1-sovereignty, 2-expropriation of the means of production, 3-the well-being of the working class.

You say "I don't support organizations that murder innocent people." Innocent according to whom? Are we going to make judgments based on which organizations have killed more civilians? Then we should start with the USA/EU/UK using sanctions as a weapon of war and interventions to guarantee their politico-economical domination in the Global South.

Resistance organizations do not emerge from a vacuum. Read "Deep Green Resistance", "War of the Flea", and put historical materialism into practice to understand what motivated direct action in Palestine, Lebanon, and many other sociopolitical contexts. To any communist you sound ridiculous, like someone arguing that the French Revolution was bad because the resistance murdered innocent people. Among these capitalistic superstructures, the alternative to resist is to die.

Lastly, regarding the death penalty, the only cases where I support it involve pedophiles. We could debate this in another thread. For national traitors, I prefer China's approach, yet I am not surprised Iran has taken these measures given its history and ontological position in the West.

alefia

Yesterday, 5:55 AM #16

(Nov 23 2025, 9:23 PM)Clover
(Nov 23 2025, 7:11 PM)alefia You are talking over Wrongtoy who probably is from an Arabic country directly in line of fire of American imperialists while you are a Pikerite living in the USA. Read the room. When a Global South comrade gives you perspective of their own country, STFU and listen.

WrongToy is a Korean American... [1][2] And LeftFem, one of the people who is accused of "white feminism" in those quotes, is actually someone who was born in Iran and lived near it... [3]

[1] "I’m Korean, first generation, and I think ppl see 4b out of a living in the west lens."
[2] "I’m a Korean American. This is why we don’t date Korean men."
[3] "I have lived in that general area (Not Iran) and was born there."

Quote:A 10-point manifesto published by the NCRI’s president, Maryam Rajavi, sets out a programme which would transform Iran. In it she states her commitment to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and to other international instruments. She calls for the abolition of the death penalty, the creation of a modern legal system and the independence of judges. (...) Madam Rajavi would end Tehran’s funding of Hamas, Hezbollah and other militant groups and is committed to peaceful coexistence, relations with all countries and respect for the United Nations charter."

Am I supposed to believe this is bad..? I support peaceful policies and I don't support organizations that murder innocent people. (Hamas, Israeli government, etc.) The woman is at risk of execution for the crime of being part of a pacifist-sounding political organization..?

Regardless of if the woman is part of a "terrorist organization" or not, I do not support the death penalty. She does not deserve to die.

alefia

Yesterday, 6:09 AM

#17

(Yesterday, 12:02 AM)Wrongtoy
(Nov 23 2025, 7:11 PM)alefia Zahra is being condemned for allegedly cooperating with the PMOI/MEK. While most articles in English leave her connections with the organization unclear, I found one describing her as a supporter [1], and another one stating her cousin was executed in 1983 for being a member of it [2].

The following is a quick summary of what this organization stands for:
<<A 10-point manifesto published by the NCRI’s president, Maryam Rajavi, sets out a programme which would transform Iran. In it she states her commitment to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and to other international instruments. She calls for the abolition of the death penalty, the creation of a modern legal system and the independence of judges. (...) Madam Rajavi would end Tehran’s funding of Hamas, Hezbollah and other militant groups and is committed to peaceful coexistence, relations with all countries and respect for the United Nations charter.">>

In short, this group is in complete support of American imperialism over Iran. It was listed as a terrorist organization until the USA changed its mind (nothing new, e.g. Syria's "leader" [3]).

To my knowledge, for this reason Iranians see this group and its members as national traitors. I can/will ask my Arabic friends what information they have about this case, but for now given how Zahra's cousin was a member and her son is in exile [1] advocating for Western intervention in Iran [4], I think the likelihood of her being involved with this terrorist organization is very high.

[1] https://www.buzzsprout.com/1908986/episodes/18152637-zahra-shahbaz-tabari-a-death-sentence-in-ten-minutes
[2] https://www.ncr-iran.org/en/ncri-statements/statement-human-rights/irans-regime-sentences-zahra-tabari-to-death-for-pmoi-ties-call-to-save-political-prisoners/
[3] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-syria-president-white-house-ahmed-al-sharaa-b2867492.html
[4] https://wncri.org/2025/10/30/zahra-tabaris-son-my-hero-mum-not-afraid/

Having said that, the comments on this thread are a clear example of white/Western feminism:
-"Get your head out of your woke ass!"
-"A theocratic state, in the wake of a war which was EXISTENTIAL"
-"because of the nature of Iran's government"
-"It's a political group that is currently operating out of Albania that believes in women's rights and class struggle. Such an evil Zionist this woman must be really" ---this comment could not be more ignorant: that organization has a history of terrorism in Iran and today is a proxy for the USA. Moreover, anyone who calls for foreign intervention in their country is a traitor to the nation.

You are talking over Wrongtoy who probably is from an Arabic country directly in line of fire of American imperialists while you are a Pikerite living in the USA. Read the room. When a Global South comrade gives you perspective of their own country, STFU and listen.

Thank you much for this clarification. My guess is that Iranian monarchists in exile are also involved with this org that as you say Iran sees reasonably as a group promoting AmerIsraeli interests. Whatever incited this sentence, it wasn’t a hijab dispute. However, if she is martyred, that’s exactly what AmerIstaeli interests will lead us to believe, that Iran just hung a grandma whose only crime was advocating for women’s rights as opposed to all this way more problematic stuff that you documented about her group.

Hopefully Iran foresees and forstalls this outcome by just moving this woman into the highest state of solitary confinement for life or several decades, same as we do for Islamic t terrorists at adx Florence.

I agree with you.

The more I look into that organization, the more I see how it represents a neoliberal cancer for Iran.

Overall, this situation reminds me to Bolsonaro's sympathizers in Brazil a lot.

alefia

Yesterday, 6:09 AM #17

(Yesterday, 12:02 AM)Wrongtoy
(Nov 23 2025, 7:11 PM)alefia Zahra is being condemned for allegedly cooperating with the PMOI/MEK. While most articles in English leave her connections with the organization unclear, I found one describing her as a supporter [1], and another one stating her cousin was executed in 1983 for being a member of it [2].

The following is a quick summary of what this organization stands for:
<<A 10-point manifesto published by the NCRI’s president, Maryam Rajavi, sets out a programme which would transform Iran. In it she states her commitment to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and to other international instruments. She calls for the abolition of the death penalty, the creation of a modern legal system and the independence of judges. (...) Madam Rajavi would end Tehran’s funding of Hamas, Hezbollah and other militant groups and is committed to peaceful coexistence, relations with all countries and respect for the United Nations charter.">>

In short, this group is in complete support of American imperialism over Iran. It was listed as a terrorist organization until the USA changed its mind (nothing new, e.g. Syria's "leader" [3]).

To my knowledge, for this reason Iranians see this group and its members as national traitors. I can/will ask my Arabic friends what information they have about this case, but for now given how Zahra's cousin was a member and her son is in exile [1] advocating for Western intervention in Iran [4], I think the likelihood of her being involved with this terrorist organization is very high.

[1] https://www.buzzsprout.com/1908986/episodes/18152637-zahra-shahbaz-tabari-a-death-sentence-in-ten-minutes
[2] https://www.ncr-iran.org/en/ncri-statements/statement-human-rights/irans-regime-sentences-zahra-tabari-to-death-for-pmoi-ties-call-to-save-political-prisoners/
[3] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-syria-president-white-house-ahmed-al-sharaa-b2867492.html
[4] https://wncri.org/2025/10/30/zahra-tabaris-son-my-hero-mum-not-afraid/

Having said that, the comments on this thread are a clear example of white/Western feminism:
-"Get your head out of your woke ass!"
-"A theocratic state, in the wake of a war which was EXISTENTIAL"
-"because of the nature of Iran's government"
-"It's a political group that is currently operating out of Albania that believes in women's rights and class struggle. Such an evil Zionist this woman must be really" ---this comment could not be more ignorant: that organization has a history of terrorism in Iran and today is a proxy for the USA. Moreover, anyone who calls for foreign intervention in their country is a traitor to the nation.

You are talking over Wrongtoy who probably is from an Arabic country directly in line of fire of American imperialists while you are a Pikerite living in the USA. Read the room. When a Global South comrade gives you perspective of their own country, STFU and listen.

Thank you much for this clarification. My guess is that Iranian monarchists in exile are also involved with this org that as you say Iran sees reasonably as a group promoting AmerIsraeli interests. Whatever incited this sentence, it wasn’t a hijab dispute. However, if she is martyred, that’s exactly what AmerIstaeli interests will lead us to believe, that Iran just hung a grandma whose only crime was advocating for women’s rights as opposed to all this way more problematic stuff that you documented about her group.

Hopefully Iran foresees and forstalls this outcome by just moving this woman into the highest state of solitary confinement for life or several decades, same as we do for Islamic t terrorists at adx Florence.

LeftFem

Yesterday, 10:57 AM

#18

(Yesterday, 5:55 AM)alefia
(Nov 23 2025, 9:23 PM)Clover
(Nov 23 2025, 7:11 PM)alefia You are talking over Wrongtoy who probably is from an Arabic country directly in line of fire of American imperialists while you are a Pikerite living in the USA. Read the room. When a Global South comrade gives you perspective of their own country, STFU and listen.

WrongToy is a Korean American... [1][2] And LeftFem, one of the people who is accused of "white feminism" in those quotes, is actually someone who was born in Iran and lived near it... [3]

[1] "I’m Korean, first generation, and I think ppl see 4b out of a living in the west lens."
[2] "I’m a Korean American. This is why we don’t date Korean men."
[3] "I have lived in that general area (Not Iran) and was born there."

Quote:A 10-point manifesto published by the NCRI’s president, Maryam Rajavi, sets out a programme which would transform Iran. In it she states her commitment to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and to other international instruments. She calls for the abolition of the death penalty, the creation of a modern legal system and the independence of judges. (...) Madam Rajavi would end Tehran’s funding of Hamas, Hezbollah and other militant groups and is committed to peaceful coexistence, relations with all countries and respect for the United Nations charter."

Am I supposed to believe this is bad..? I support peaceful policies and I don't support organizations that murder innocent people. (Hamas, Israeli government, etc.) The woman is at risk of execution for the crime of being part of a pacifist-sounding political organization..?

Regardless of if the woman is part of a "terrorist organization" or not, I do not support the death penalty. She does not deserve to die.

Thank you for correcting me on Wrongtoy's background. How was/is Korea not under American imperialist fire?

LeftFem's comments fit the description of a "good Arab": https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/israel-palestine-good-arab-invention-control As a general rule, I am skeptical about anyone with opinions that compromise 1-sovereignty, 2-expropriation of the means of production, 3-the well-being of the working class.

You say "I don't support organizations that murder innocent people." Innocent according to whom? Are we going to make judgments based on which organizations have killed more civilians? Then we should start with the USA/EU/UK using sanctions as a weapon of war and interventions to guarantee their politico-economical domination in the Global South.

Resistance organizations do not emerge from a vacuum. Read "Deep Green Resistance", "War of the Flea", and put historical materialism into practice to understand what motivated direct action in Palestine, Lebanon, and many other sociopolitical contexts. To any communist you sound ridiculous, like someone arguing that the French Revolution was bad because the resistance murdered innocent people. Among these capitalistic superstructures, the alternative to resist is to die.

Lastly, regarding the death penalty, the only cases where I support it involve pedophiles. We could debate this in another thread. For national traitors, I prefer China's approach, yet I am not surprised Iran has taken these measures given its history and ontological position in the West.

I'll ignore the "good Arab" jab. My issue with this judgement is the simple fact that it's done by a court in 10 minutes with no public transcript. Like I said, she could be a murderer, a terrorist, but this is not how you deliver judgement, and I can not see anyone lose their life for something without having a fair trial

Where in the world do I compromise sovereignty? I think the war between Iran and Israel was both sides seeing how far they could get away with. I would give absolutely zero credit to Israel, for me, what they are doing in Gaza is unacceptable. That's all I'll say.

Edit:

Decided to open the link because I thought "Good Arab" was just an Arab who agrees with the west, but reading the article, I'm not ignoring it

Quote:The “good Arabs” spread the concept among the masses that it was necessary to assimilate and obey Israeli orders; that the Israeli establishment was not a military system that usurped the country and forcibly displaced its people, but rather a democracy accepting of all - the only democracy in the region.

Just for clarity, no, Iran should not obey Israeli orders, they should instead stop using their courts to give death penalty without a second thought, stop oppression of women by forcing them to wear Hijab. I don't think they should decide to recognise Israel, it's their right to not do it, in fact, I could care less about their geopolitical views. Absolutely absurd as an accusation.

Also for clarity, I'm not Arab, I'm from Pakistan originally, Iran's neighbour, and we have at least the bare minimum of no forced Hijab (At least outside of tribal run villages).

Edited Yesterday, 11:06 AM by LeftFem.

LeftFem

Yesterday, 10:57 AM #18

(Yesterday, 5:55 AM)alefia
(Nov 23 2025, 9:23 PM)Clover
(Nov 23 2025, 7:11 PM)alefia You are talking over Wrongtoy who probably is from an Arabic country directly in line of fire of American imperialists while you are a Pikerite living in the USA. Read the room. When a Global South comrade gives you perspective of their own country, STFU and listen.

WrongToy is a Korean American... [1][2] And LeftFem, one of the people who is accused of "white feminism" in those quotes, is actually someone who was born in Iran and lived near it... [3]

[1] "I’m Korean, first generation, and I think ppl see 4b out of a living in the west lens."
[2] "I’m a Korean American. This is why we don’t date Korean men."
[3] "I have lived in that general area (Not Iran) and was born there."

Quote:A 10-point manifesto published by the NCRI’s president, Maryam Rajavi, sets out a programme which would transform Iran. In it she states her commitment to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and to other international instruments. She calls for the abolition of the death penalty, the creation of a modern legal system and the independence of judges. (...) Madam Rajavi would end Tehran’s funding of Hamas, Hezbollah and other militant groups and is committed to peaceful coexistence, relations with all countries and respect for the United Nations charter."

Am I supposed to believe this is bad..? I support peaceful policies and I don't support organizations that murder innocent people. (Hamas, Israeli government, etc.) The woman is at risk of execution for the crime of being part of a pacifist-sounding political organization..?

Regardless of if the woman is part of a "terrorist organization" or not, I do not support the death penalty. She does not deserve to die.

Thank you for correcting me on Wrongtoy's background. How was/is Korea not under American imperialist fire?

LeftFem's comments fit the description of a "good Arab": https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/israel-palestine-good-arab-invention-control As a general rule, I am skeptical about anyone with opinions that compromise 1-sovereignty, 2-expropriation of the means of production, 3-the well-being of the working class.

You say "I don't support organizations that murder innocent people." Innocent according to whom? Are we going to make judgments based on which organizations have killed more civilians? Then we should start with the USA/EU/UK using sanctions as a weapon of war and interventions to guarantee their politico-economical domination in the Global South.

Resistance organizations do not emerge from a vacuum. Read "Deep Green Resistance", "War of the Flea", and put historical materialism into practice to understand what motivated direct action in Palestine, Lebanon, and many other sociopolitical contexts. To any communist you sound ridiculous, like someone arguing that the French Revolution was bad because the resistance murdered innocent people. Among these capitalistic superstructures, the alternative to resist is to die.

Lastly, regarding the death penalty, the only cases where I support it involve pedophiles. We could debate this in another thread. For national traitors, I prefer China's approach, yet I am not surprised Iran has taken these measures given its history and ontological position in the West.

Quote:The “good Arabs” spread the concept among the masses that it was necessary to assimilate and obey Israeli orders; that the Israeli establishment was not a military system that usurped the country and forcibly displaced its people, but rather a democracy accepting of all - the only democracy in the region.

ExitStageLeft

Yesterday, 11:52 AM

#19

(Nov 23 2025, 7:11 PM)alefia Zahra is being condemned for allegedly cooperating with the PMOI/MEK. While most articles in English leave her connections with the organization unclear, I found one describing her as a supporter [1], and another one stating her cousin was executed in 1983 for being a member of it [2].

The following is a quick summary of what this organization stands for:
<<A 10-point manifesto published by the NCRI’s president, Maryam Rajavi, sets out a programme which would transform Iran. In it she states her commitment to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and to other international instruments. She calls for the abolition of the death penalty, the creation of a modern legal system and the independence of judges. (...) Madam Rajavi would end Tehran’s funding of Hamas, Hezbollah and other militant groups and is committed to peaceful coexistence, relations with all countries and respect for the United Nations charter.">>

In short, this group is in complete support of American imperialism over Iran. It was listed as a terrorist organization until the USA changed its mind (nothing new, e.g. Syria's "leader" [3]).

To my knowledge, for this reason Iranians see this group and its members as national traitors. I can/will ask my Arabic friends what information they have about this case, but for now given how Zahra's cousin was a member and her son is in exile [1] advocating for Western intervention in Iran [4], I think the likelihood of her being involved with this terrorist organization is very high.

[1] https://www.buzzsprout.com/1908986/episodes/18152637-zahra-shahbaz-tabari-a-death-sentence-in-ten-minutes
[2] https://www.ncr-iran.org/en/ncri-statements/statement-human-rights/irans-regime-sentences-zahra-tabari-to-death-for-pmoi-ties-call-to-save-political-prisoners/
[3] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-syria-president-white-house-ahmed-al-sharaa-b2867492.html
[4] https://wncri.org/2025/10/30/zahra-tabaris-son-my-hero-mum-not-afraid/

Having said that, the comments on this thread are a clear example of white/Western feminism:
-"Get your head out of your woke ass!"
-"A theocratic state, in the wake of a war which was EXISTENTIAL"
-"because of the nature of Iran's government"
-"It's a political group that is currently operating out of Albania that believes in women's rights and class struggle. Such an evil Zionist this woman must be really" ---this comment could not be more ignorant: that organization has a history of terrorism in Iran and today is a proxy for the USA. Moreover, anyone who calls for foreign intervention in their country is a traitor to the nation.

You are talking over Wrongtoy who probably is from an Arabic country directly in line of fire of American imperialists while you are a Pikerite living in the USA. Read the room. When a Global South comrade gives you perspective of their own country, STFU and listen.

Wrongtoy has made ignorant (and quite frankly, Islamophobic) comments in another thread. The commenters here are still engaging with her and discussing her points, so why tell other women to "STFU?" They are listening. They just happen to disagree.

Edited Yesterday, 4:13 PM by Kozlik. Edit Reason: Fix post formatting due to misplaced end quote tag

ExitStageLeft

Yesterday, 11:52 AM #19

(Nov 23 2025, 7:11 PM)alefia Zahra is being condemned for allegedly cooperating with the PMOI/MEK. While most articles in English leave her connections with the organization unclear, I found one describing her as a supporter [1], and another one stating her cousin was executed in 1983 for being a member of it [2].

The following is a quick summary of what this organization stands for:
<<A 10-point manifesto published by the NCRI’s president, Maryam Rajavi, sets out a programme which would transform Iran. In it she states her commitment to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and to other international instruments. She calls for the abolition of the death penalty, the creation of a modern legal system and the independence of judges. (...) Madam Rajavi would end Tehran’s funding of Hamas, Hezbollah and other militant groups and is committed to peaceful coexistence, relations with all countries and respect for the United Nations charter.">>

In short, this group is in complete support of American imperialism over Iran. It was listed as a terrorist organization until the USA changed its mind (nothing new, e.g. Syria's "leader" [3]).

To my knowledge, for this reason Iranians see this group and its members as national traitors. I can/will ask my Arabic friends what information they have about this case, but for now given how Zahra's cousin was a member and her son is in exile [1] advocating for Western intervention in Iran [4], I think the likelihood of her being involved with this terrorist organization is very high.

[1] https://www.buzzsprout.com/1908986/episodes/18152637-zahra-shahbaz-tabari-a-death-sentence-in-ten-minutes
[2] https://www.ncr-iran.org/en/ncri-statements/statement-human-rights/irans-regime-sentences-zahra-tabari-to-death-for-pmoi-ties-call-to-save-political-prisoners/
[3] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-syria-president-white-house-ahmed-al-sharaa-b2867492.html
[4] https://wncri.org/2025/10/30/zahra-tabaris-son-my-hero-mum-not-afraid/

Having said that, the comments on this thread are a clear example of white/Western feminism:
-"Get your head out of your woke ass!"
-"A theocratic state, in the wake of a war which was EXISTENTIAL"
-"because of the nature of Iran's government"
-"It's a political group that is currently operating out of Albania that believes in women's rights and class struggle. Such an evil Zionist this woman must be really" ---this comment could not be more ignorant: that organization has a history of terrorism in Iran and today is a proxy for the USA. Moreover, anyone who calls for foreign intervention in their country is a traitor to the nation.

You are talking over Wrongtoy who probably is from an Arabic country directly in line of fire of American imperialists while you are a Pikerite living in the USA. Read the room. When a Global South comrade gives you perspective of their own country, STFU and listen.

Wrongtoy

163

Yesterday, 12:40 PM

#20

(Yesterday, 10:57 AM)LeftFem
(Yesterday, 5:55 AM)alefia
(Nov 23 2025, 9:23 PM)Clover
(Nov 23 2025, 7:11 PM)alefia You are talking over Wrongtoy who probably is from an Arabic country directly in line of fire of American imperialists while you are a Pikerite living in the USA. Read the room. When a Global South comrade gives you perspective of their own country, STFU and listen.

WrongToy is a Korean American... [1][2] And LeftFem, one of the people who is accused of "white feminism" in those quotes, is actually someone who was born in Iran and lived near it... [3]

[1] "I’m Korean, first generation, and I think ppl see 4b out of a living in the west lens."
[2] "I’m a Korean American. This is why we don’t date Korean men."
[3] "I have lived in that general area (Not Iran) and was born there."

Quote:A 10-point manifesto published by the NCRI’s president, Maryam Rajavi, sets out a programme which would transform Iran. In it she states her commitment to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and to other international instruments. She calls for the abolition of the death penalty, the creation of a modern legal system and the independence of judges. (...) Madam Rajavi would end Tehran’s funding of Hamas, Hezbollah and other militant groups and is committed to peaceful coexistence, relations with all countries and respect for the United Nations charter."

Am I supposed to believe this is bad..? I support peaceful policies and I don't support organizations that murder innocent people. (Hamas, Israeli government, etc.) The woman is at risk of execution for the crime of being part of a pacifist-sounding political organization..?

Regardless of if the woman is part of a "terrorist organization" or not, I do not support the death penalty. She does not deserve to die.

Thank you for correcting me on Wrongtoy's background. How was/is Korea not under American imperialist fire?

LeftFem's comments fit the description of a "good Arab": https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/israel-palestine-good-arab-invention-control As a general rule, I am skeptical about anyone with opinions that compromise 1-sovereignty, 2-expropriation of the means of production, 3-the well-being of the working class.

You say "I don't support organizations that murder innocent people." Innocent according to whom? Are we going to make judgments based on which organizations have killed more civilians? Then we should start with the USA/EU/UK using sanctions as a weapon of war and interventions to guarantee their politico-economical domination in the Global South.

Resistance organizations do not emerge from a vacuum. Read "Deep Green Resistance", "War of the Flea", and put historical materialism into practice to understand what motivated direct action in Palestine, Lebanon, and many other sociopolitical contexts. To any communist you sound ridiculous, like someone arguing that the French Revolution was bad because the resistance murdered innocent people. Among these capitalistic superstructures, the alternative to resist is to die.

Lastly, regarding the death penalty, the only cases where I support it involve pedophiles. We could debate this in another thread. For national traitors, I prefer China's approach, yet I am not surprised Iran has taken these measures given its history and ontological position in the West.

I'll ignore the "good Arab" jab. My issue with this judgement is the simple fact that it's done by a court in 10 minutes with no public transcript. Like I said, she could be a murderer, a terrorist, but this is not how you deliver judgement, and I can not see anyone lose their life for something without having a fair trial

Where in the world do I compromise sovereignty? I think the war between Iran and Israel was both sides seeing how far they could get away with. I would give absolutely zero credit to Israel, for me, what they are doing in Gaza is unacceptable. That's all I'll say.

Edit:

Decided to open the link because I thought "Good Arab" was just an Arab who agrees with the west, but reading the article, I'm not ignoring it

Quote:The “good Arabs” spread the concept among the masses that it was necessary to assimilate and obey Israeli orders; that the Israeli establishment was not a military system that usurped the country and forcibly displaced its people, but rather a democracy accepting of all - the only democracy in the region.

Just for clarity, no, Iran should not obey Israeli orders, they should instead stop using their courts to give death penalty without a second thought, stop oppression of women by forcing them to wear Hijab. I don't think they should decide to recognise Israel, it's their right to not do it, in fact, I could care less about their geopolitical views. Absolutely absurd as an accusation.

Also for clarity, I'm not Arab, I'm from Pakistan originally, Iran's neighbour, and we have at least the bare minimum of no forced Hijab (At least outside of tribal run villages).

iran would not have allowed its own state media to broadcast images of hijabiless women standing with their ayotollah if it, Iran, took this supposed forced hijab rule remotely seriously. Kudos to them for making it clear that the hijab issue and the Israel issue are two separate things and the latter is more important.

Like North Korea, Iran might have to acquire a nuke to ensure its survival. Nk was routinely threatened as part of the axis of evil, and since then the us has left it alone. Same thing with Pakistan getting the bomb.

Edited Yesterday, 4:01 PM by Kozlik. Edit Reason: Fixed quote formatting with user's permission

Wrongtoy

Yesterday, 12:40 PM #20

(Yesterday, 10:57 AM)LeftFem
(Yesterday, 5:55 AM)alefia
(Nov 23 2025, 9:23 PM)Clover
(Nov 23 2025, 7:11 PM)alefia You are talking over Wrongtoy who probably is from an Arabic country directly in line of fire of American imperialists while you are a Pikerite living in the USA. Read the room. When a Global South comrade gives you perspective of their own country, STFU and listen.

WrongToy is a Korean American... [1][2] And LeftFem, one of the people who is accused of "white feminism" in those quotes, is actually someone who was born in Iran and lived near it... [3]

[1] "I’m Korean, first generation, and I think ppl see 4b out of a living in the west lens."
[2] "I’m a Korean American. This is why we don’t date Korean men."
[3] "I have lived in that general area (Not Iran) and was born there."

Quote:A 10-point manifesto published by the NCRI’s president, Maryam Rajavi, sets out a programme which would transform Iran. In it she states her commitment to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and to other international instruments. She calls for the abolition of the death penalty, the creation of a modern legal system and the independence of judges. (...) Madam Rajavi would end Tehran’s funding of Hamas, Hezbollah and other militant groups and is committed to peaceful coexistence, relations with all countries and respect for the United Nations charter."

Am I supposed to believe this is bad..? I support peaceful policies and I don't support organizations that murder innocent people. (Hamas, Israeli government, etc.) The woman is at risk of execution for the crime of being part of a pacifist-sounding political organization..?

Regardless of if the woman is part of a "terrorist organization" or not, I do not support the death penalty. She does not deserve to die.

Thank you for correcting me on Wrongtoy's background. How was/is Korea not under American imperialist fire?

LeftFem's comments fit the description of a "good Arab": https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/israel-palestine-good-arab-invention-control As a general rule, I am skeptical about anyone with opinions that compromise 1-sovereignty, 2-expropriation of the means of production, 3-the well-being of the working class.

You say "I don't support organizations that murder innocent people." Innocent according to whom? Are we going to make judgments based on which organizations have killed more civilians? Then we should start with the USA/EU/UK using sanctions as a weapon of war and interventions to guarantee their politico-economical domination in the Global South.

Resistance organizations do not emerge from a vacuum. Read "Deep Green Resistance", "War of the Flea", and put historical materialism into practice to understand what motivated direct action in Palestine, Lebanon, and many other sociopolitical contexts. To any communist you sound ridiculous, like someone arguing that the French Revolution was bad because the resistance murdered innocent people. Among these capitalistic superstructures, the alternative to resist is to die.

Lastly, regarding the death penalty, the only cases where I support it involve pedophiles. We could debate this in another thread. For national traitors, I prefer China's approach, yet I am not surprised Iran has taken these measures given its history and ontological position in the West.

I'll ignore the "good Arab" jab. My issue with this judgement is the simple fact that it's done by a court in 10 minutes with no public transcript. Like I said, she could be a murderer, a terrorist, but this is not how you deliver judgement, and I can not see anyone lose their life for something without having a fair trial

Where in the world do I compromise sovereignty? I think the war between Iran and Israel was both sides seeing how far they could get away with. I would give absolutely zero credit to Israel, for me, what they are doing in Gaza is unacceptable. That's all I'll say.

Edit:

Decided to open the link because I thought "Good Arab" was just an Arab who agrees with the west, but reading the article, I'm not ignoring it

Quote:The “good Arabs” spread the concept among the masses that it was necessary to assimilate and obey Israeli orders; that the Israeli establishment was not a military system that usurped the country and forcibly displaced its people, but rather a democracy accepting of all - the only democracy in the region.

Just for clarity, no, Iran should not obey Israeli orders, they should instead stop using their courts to give death penalty without a second thought, stop oppression of women by forcing them to wear Hijab. I don't think they should decide to recognise Israel, it's their right to not do it, in fact, I could care less about their geopolitical views. Absolutely absurd as an accusation.

Also for clarity, I'm not Arab, I'm from Pakistan originally, Iran's neighbour, and we have at least the bare minimum of no forced Hijab (At least outside of tribal run villages).

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